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ibgman Mon May 07, 2007 09:21pm

Gerry Davis kicked a call big time in Yankee-Mariner Game tonight
 
8th inning 2 outs R1 on first steals second.....

I've seen the replay and the only thing I can think off is that he was blocked by Cano the second baseman and couldn't see the base. However there is one camera angle that was shown from his view point and from the angle shown I can't see how he missed it. To add insult to injury the next batter blooped one to right and the Mariners tie the game then Mariano gives up a dinger in the 9th. Yanks lose,

I bet he is glad it was the last game of the series and not the first.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=270507110

-g

socalblue1 Tue May 08, 2007 12:01am

Gerry was slow to get position & must have been straight lined. One of the hazards of a four umpire crew with U2 on the 1B side (And right on the grass/dirt edge) is having that happen if one is a step or two slow into the cutout.

DonInKansas Tue May 08, 2007 01:23am

An umpire kicked a call. SHOCKING!

I'm sure he bought the first round after the game, and there's always tomorrow.

UmpJM Tue May 08, 2007 01:28am

Hmmm,

I kicked a call in the game I did Sunday evening. Didn't feel very good about having done so.

JM

JRutledge Tue May 08, 2007 01:40am

We all kick calls every now and then. It is called being human. I am sure that was not the first call he missed and certainly will not be the last either.

Peace

Jurassic Referee Tue May 08, 2007 05:07am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge
We all kick calls every now and then. It is called being human. I am sure that was not the first call he missed and certainly will not be the last either.

And nobody will feel worse than him either when he finds out that he missed it.

Bandit Tue May 08, 2007 06:56am

Slow to move ?
 
Slow, my butt. Lazy if you watch the video. Gerry is better than that!

ozzy6900 Tue May 08, 2007 07:04am

YAAAAWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNN!

So what! Gerry Davis kicked a call and the Yankees (because they didn't bother to get a few insurance runs) lost the game! All is right with the world and Gerry will move to 1st base tonight.

All Yankee fans do is whine - it's always someone else's fault! BWAHAHAHAHA!

jicecone Tue May 08, 2007 07:43am

Couldn't have happened to a better team!

DonInKansas Tue May 08, 2007 07:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by jicecone
Couldn't have happened to a better team!

Amen to that, brother......

Kaliix Tue May 08, 2007 08:21am

You know, it wasn't even that he blew the call. I can live with that, we all miss one every now and then. I was more surprised by the severity of the miss. The runner was a good 3 feet from the bag. I'm not exaggerating to make a point, it was easily three feet.

Getting a banger wrong is understandable. Getting a play wrong when something weird or third worldish happens, that I get. But a MLB umpire getting a simple steal of second wrong when a runner is out by 3 FEET, I'm just flabbergasted. That just shouldn't happen. That is not a miss, that is a gross miss. And it happened because on that one play, Gerry was lazy.

You guys talk about hustling on every play and working hard to be in the right spots, coming set and adjusting if necessary to see the play. This is why umpires have to work hard on each and every play to get the call right. If you don't, you can make a call like that. That play drives home that point with stunning clarity.

For the record, I'm not complaining. The Yankees certainly weren't helped by the call, but they lost it all on their own. No whining here...

It couldn't have happened to a better team, unless it was the Red Sox...

JFlores Tue May 08, 2007 08:51am

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonInKansas
Amen to that, brother......

Are you still mad that they signed Clemens...get over it, you must be a pirates fan or something.

PeteBooth Tue May 08, 2007 09:33am

Quote:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibgman
8th inning 2 outs R1 on first steals second.....

I've seen the replay and the only thing I can think off is that he was blocked by Cano the second baseman and couldn't see the base. However there is one camera angle that was shown from his view point and from the angle shown I can't see how he missed it. To add insult to injury the next batter blooped one to right and the Mariners tie the game then Mariano gives up a dinger in the 9th. Yanks lose,

I bet he is glad it was the last game of the series and not the first.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=270507110

-g


Hey it happens, however did Gerry Davis give up the dinger in the ninth inning.

Blame the officials which has become a battle cry whenever a team loses.

Amateur baseball comment:

There will be a beautiful day for baseball, A sports complex with many fields. Plenty of participants however, no games being played. Where are the officials?

ESPN etc. have made our jobs as amateur umpires more difficult. The bottom line is: No matter how good an official one is you will not get EVERY call right. It's a fact of life. Also, let's not forget, we do not have SUPER SLO MO to aid us out there.

Bottom Line: The Yanks still had a chance to get out of the inning. F1 did not get the job done and gave up a base hit. Also, one if not the greatest closers in the history of the sport gave up a dinger.

Don't worry Yankee fans Roger is on his way after ge gets his 18 holes in

Pete Booth

jicecone Tue May 08, 2007 09:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFlores
Are you still mad that they signed Clemens...get over it, you must be a pirates fan or something.

If you think 1-45yr old over paid pitcher is going to help them out this year!

I got some good land in florida for sale!!!!

LilLeaguer Tue May 08, 2007 12:35pm

More open umpiring
 
ESPN has Davis explaining his call.
Quote:

The throw was to the first-base side and pulled Robinson toward me a little bit, so I couldn't see the runner's hands. Normally when the runner is tagged on his backside, his hands are at the bag. That obviously wasn't the case tonight
Forthright, anyway.

JFlores Tue May 08, 2007 12:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jicecone
If you think 1-45yr old over paid pitcher is going to help them out this year!

I got some good land in florida for sale!!!!

so are you a marlins fan or devil rays fan?? ima go with the latter.

Toadman15241 Tue May 08, 2007 12:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFlores
so are you a marlins fan or devil rays fan?? ima go with the latter.

Neither, he's a Pirates fan (at least he better still be a Pirates fan).

johnnyg08 Tue May 08, 2007 01:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by LilLeaguer

That quote is not on the link you provided...oh well...I've moved on...those guys are the best in the world and when they make mistakes, it reminds me that even though we try to be perfect each time out, it just isn't reality.

LilLeaguer Tue May 08, 2007 01:15pm

Sorry for the confustion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyg08
That quote is not on the link you provided...oh well...I've moved on...those guys are the best in the world and when they make mistakes, it reminds me that even though we try to be perfect each time out, it just isn't reality.

This is the recap of the game, and Davis' explanation is about halfway through the article. I did quote it in its entirety as reported by ESPN.

johnnyg08 Tue May 08, 2007 01:16pm

oh...I was watching the video...thanks for clarifying.

lawump Tue May 08, 2007 02:09pm

O.k....while flipping through games last night on MLB Extra Innings...I saw

(1) Gerry Davis miss the steal call.
(2) Jeff Nelson miss a pick-off call at first base in Atlanta.
(3) Balkin' Bob incorrectly call a homerun a double that went against Colorado.
(4) Another umpire (I forget which game...at this point) miss a homerun/double call.

The point of this post? There is none. My post is a WOBW...just like the OP.

LMan Tue May 08, 2007 02:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawump
(3) Balkin' Bob incorrectly call a homerun a double that went against Colorado.

Yeah, but at least he got to toss Hurdle as a consolation prize.

Rcichon Wed May 09, 2007 11:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzy6900
YAAAAWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNN!

So what! Gerry Davis kicked a call and the Yankees (because they didn't bother to get a few insurance runs) lost the game! All is right with the world and Gerry will move to 1st base tonight.

All Yankee fans do is whine - it's always someone else's fault! BWAHAHAHAHA!

Yep! I agree! And why miss a chance to kick a dog when he's down?

Go O's and Sox!:p

Striker991 Thu May 10, 2007 11:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawump
O.k....while flipping through games last night on MLB Extra Innings...I saw

(1) Gerry Davis miss the steal call.
(2) Jeff Nelson miss a pick-off call at first base in Atlanta.
(3) Balkin' Bob incorrectly call a homerun a double that went against Colorado.
(4) Another umpire (I forget which game...at this point) miss a homerun/double call.

The point of this post? There is none. My post is a WOBW...just like the OP.

I am an avid baseball fan as well as an amateur official. I tend to watch the umpires just as much as the rest of the game. For whatever reason, it appears to me that there have been many more missed calls this season because the umpires were not in position to see the play. I agree with the person that said that Jerry Davis was lazy....he wasn't just not hustling, he was walking SLOWLY. Another play last night was missed when the home plate umpire was out of position to see the play and called Johjima out when he was clearly safe because he was blocked by the catcher on the play.

It's one thing to miss calls. We all do it. But at that level, to be out of position because of either lack of effort or not being prepared is completely unacceptable. They get paid the big bucks for their effort. To get paid that much and not put out the effort is disgraceful.

S

Don Mueller Thu May 10, 2007 12:37pm

Speaking of blown calls
 
Did anyone see the 15 inning Cubs/Pirates game the other night?

Runner on 1st and 3rd sinking line drive to left, U4 goes out for catch/no catch, U3 heads toward 3rd anticipating R1 going 1st to 3rd, instead R1 hesitates and the throw comes to 2nd behind R1. U3 is still running back to 2nd in infield grass when the tag is made. he's in terrible position and on the move, never makes a signal and it looks like he glances toward U2(never had a wide enough angle to see where U2 was) to see if he was going to make a call.
It certainly appeared to be an out but the call was safe.

I don't know 4 man mechanics, but it seems to me that something was blown here.
Once U4 went out did U3 have R1 at 2nd and 3rd? If so he just overcommitted to third. If not, I'm assuming U2 should have rotated to 2nd.
I'm curious to know the rotation in this situation.
Can anyone help?

blueump Thu May 10, 2007 12:41pm

The PU miscalled a play at the plate last night in the Tigers/Mariners game as well. It just goes to show that we are all human.

bob jenkins Thu May 10, 2007 01:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Mueller
Did anyone see the 15 inning Cubs/Pirates game the other night?

Runner on 1st and 3rd sinking line drive to left, U4 goes out for catch/no catch, U3 heads toward 3rd anticipating R1 going 1st to 3rd, instead R1 hesitates and the throw comes to 2nd behind R1. U3 is still running back to 2nd in infield grass when the tag is made. he's in terrible position and on the move, never makes a signal and it looks like he glances toward U2(never had a wide enough angle to see where U2 was) to see if he was going to make a call.
It certainly appeared to be an out but the call was safe.

I don't know 4 man mechanics, but it seems to me that something was blown here.
Once U4 went out did U3 have R1 at 2nd and 3rd? If so he just overcommitted to third. If not, I'm assuming U2 should have rotated to 2nd.
I'm curious to know the rotation in this situation.
Can anyone help?

Under CCA mechanics, if U3 goes out and the ball drops, then it's a standard three-person rotation on this play. UIC rotates to third, U2 has R1 at second, U1 has BR touching third and rotates home when R1 commits to third.

Pro mechanics might be different.

Don Mueller Thu May 10, 2007 01:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins
Under CCA mechanics, if U3 goes out and the ball drops, then it's a standard three-person rotation on this play. UIC rotates to third, U2 has R1 at second, U1 has BR touching third and rotates home when R1 commits to third.

Pro mechanics might be different.

Sorry, I mis labeled the umps.
In this situation, U2 moved to third when U3 went out, you could see it in the replay. He then was running back to 2nd when the throw came in behind the runner. Something seemed out of whack. If UIC went to third, U2 clearly forgot his mechanics.

njdevs00cup Thu May 10, 2007 08:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonInKansas
An umpire kicked a call. SHOCKING!

I'm sure he bought the first round after the game, and there's always tomorrow.

I made the worst call I've ever made at a play which wasn't even close at first base. The kid was out by a step and I called him safe. The game was a blowout, so I didn't catch too much lip. My partner knew I knew I made a mistake. With a bid smile, he asked me, "Was that your nephew running to first base!"


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