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RPatrino Sun May 06, 2007 09:04pm

There are certain things that can't be overlooked. You can't overlook anything related to on field conduct. Ignore inappropriate behavior at your own risk, because it will escalate and you will have a big problem on your hands.

If you ignore something that within the rules you must react to, what does that tell the players and coach's? Why do we wait until one coach complains before we do anything? That tells the coach that you either don't know the rules, or don't care enough about the game to make the tough calls.

Which things can we ignore, in my opinion? No one cares if one base is too small, no one measures the correlational cooefficient of the baseballs, and I really don't care if all the players have the same color of undershirt. Yes, there are rules about all that, but it really doesn't effect the playing of the game.

LMan Sun May 06, 2007 09:48pm

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Originally Posted by Arnold A.
When this discussion was broached some months ago, the "strictly by-the-book" posters were the more prevelant and strident of the two sides from my own personal recollection.

I also believe that veracity and vitriol of their opinions fell under the categories of "thou doth protest too much" and "joining the popular crowd".

I may be mistaken, YMMV.



Just let the Force flow though you, Luke.

canadaump6 Sun May 06, 2007 10:05pm

The following is a list of things that I have heard umpires say they would only call if the coach complained about:

*Pitcher going to the mouth while on the dirt circle
*Pitcher not coming to a full stop with runners on base
*Shoulder turn towards first by the pitcher when there is a runner at first
*Interference due to running outside the 3-foot running lane
*Batter making contact while outside the batter's box
*Using a bat with a 5 point weight-length differential when a maximum 3 point differential was allowed
*Pine tar one inch beyond the 18 inch legal limit:eek:
*Third base coach tapping the runner on the shoulder to direct him to run to homeplate
*Tagging up on a foul ball
*12 second rule with no runners on base
*Suspending a game for less than 30 minutes during a rain delay

I could think of more but I think that is enough for now. What do you guys think? Which of these rules that I mentioned should one go about strictly enforcing as the rulebook states, and which ones should we call in the spirit of the game?

LMan Sun May 06, 2007 10:33pm

I think you randomly listed every balk and rule you could think of while sitting at your keyboard just now.

RPatrino Sun May 06, 2007 10:36pm

I sincerely pity you, should you chose to follow the advise if these "umpires". Your career will be short, but not without excitement.

Let us know how it goes!!!!

ozzy6900 Mon May 07, 2007 05:41am

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Originally Posted by canadaump6
The following is a list of things that I have heard umpires say they would only call if the coach complained about:

*Pitcher going to the mouth while on the dirt circle
*Pitcher not coming to a full stop with runners on base
*Shoulder turn towards first by the pitcher when there is a runner at first
*Interference due to running outside the 3-foot running lane
*Batter making contact while outside the batter's box
*Using a bat with a 5 point weight-length differential when a maximum 3 point differential was allowed
*Pine tar one inch beyond the 18 inch legal limit:eek:
*Third base coach tapping the runner on the shoulder to direct him to run to homeplate
*Tagging up on a foul ball
*12 second rule with no runners on base
*Suspending a game for less than 30 minutes during a rain delay

I could think of more but I think that is enough for now. What do you guys think? Which of these rules that I mentioned should one go about strictly enforcing as the rulebook states, and which ones should we call in the spirit of the game?

YGTBSM! You really think this way? Are you kidding? Please do us all a favor - If this is how you feel and this is how you officiate would you please not post here anymore! You are a complete and utter fool! :eek:

bob jenkins Mon May 07, 2007 06:55am

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Originally Posted by canadaump6
The following is a list of things that I have heard umpires say they would only call if the coach complained about:

*Pitcher going to the mouth while on the dirt circle

Follow the accepted rulings in your area, but don't pick nits. If F1 is nearly off and walking off, then let it go.
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*Pitcher not coming to a full stop with runners on base
Call the balk.
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*Shoulder turn towards first by the pitcher when there is a runner at first
THere's no rule against this unless you judge it to be a feint -- then call it
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*Interference due to running outside the 3-foot running lane
Call it
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*Batter making contact while outside the batter's box
Call it if you see it, but don't look for it.
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*Using a bat with a 5 point weight-length differential when a maximum 3 point differential was allowed
Call it
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*Pine tar one inch beyond the 18 inch legal limit:eek:
Measure if asked.
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*Third base coach tapping the runner on the shoulder to direct him to run to homeplate
Call it
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*Tagging up on a foul ball
Call the spirit of the rule (i.e., prevent an obvious advantage to either the offense or the defense; if both teams are happy with where the runner is, then play ball)
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*12 second rule with no runners on base
Use it if you need it. Don't count on every pitch
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*Suspending a game for less than 30 minutes during a rain delay
Huh?

canadaump6 Wed May 09, 2007 12:31am

Thanks for the help with those rulings Bobjenkins. Seems like you hold a similar philosophy to me in that the game should be called by the book.

SanDiegoSteve Wed May 09, 2007 01:16am

Suspending a game for less than 30 minutes during a rain delay.

Does this mean if it stops raining you should wait until 30 minutes have passed before resuming play? Or were you trying to say "calling a game on account of rain before a 30 minute rain delay?"

The former would be an ignorant statement, and the latter would be a violation of the rules.

canadaump6 Wed May 09, 2007 01:53pm

Sandiegosteve
 
I was referring to rule 3.10 c. The last part of the rule reads; "He shall not call the game until at least thirty minutes after he has suspended play, he may continue the suspension as long as he believes there is any chance to resume play,". If the umpire suspends a game due to rain or whatever, he has to wait at least 30 minutes. Where I'm from we often only wait 15 minutes because we will be waiting for ever if we wait 30 minutes. I got the rule interpretation correct.

johnnyg08 Wed May 09, 2007 01:59pm

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Originally Posted by canadaump6
Where I'm from we often only wait 15 minutes because we will be waiting for ever if we wait 30 minutes. I got the rule interpretation correct.

Forever = another 15 minutes? I don't get it?

celebur Wed May 09, 2007 02:53pm

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Originally Posted by mississippiump
Thank God I don't live in Canada!!!!

We do. Rest assured, we do. ;)

Welpe Wed May 09, 2007 06:37pm

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Originally Posted by canadaump6
I was referring to rule 3.10 c. The last part of the rule reads; "He shall not call the game until at least thirty minutes after he has suspended play, he may continue the suspension as long as he believes there is any chance to resume play,". If the umpire suspends a game due to rain or whatever, he has to wait at least 30 minutes. Where I'm from we often only wait 15 minutes because we will be waiting for ever if we wait 30 minutes. I got the rule interpretation correct.

Is that because if you wait any longer, all of the rain freezes and the polar bears start showing up?

canadaump6 Wed May 09, 2007 09:27pm

If we wait any longer than 15 minutes, it'll probably end up getting dark. In this case 15 minutes does seem like forever when it cuts into the brightness. And no the rain won't freeze and we won't see a polar bear appear out in centre field.


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