Helmet wearers

[LMan]

Originally Posted by BretMan

Jumping back up to the first post...

Jk, what did you mean when you said that the NFHS mandates this piece of equipment for their catchers?

I must have missed that memo...

FED 1-4-7,8

[UmpJM]

Lman,

Huh????

How about 1-5-3 & 4, which state no such requirement?

JM

P.S. Congratulations on your prestigious award from last year. Did you know that you look a lot like me - in a kind of blurry, distorted way?

[LMan]

Originally Posted by CoachJM

Lman,

Huh????

How about 1-5-3 & 4, which state no such requirement?

JM

P.S. Congratulations on your prestigious award from last year. Did you know that you look a lot like me - in a kind of blurry, distorted way?

sorry, I just realized I only have the 2005 (ahem) FED book here. So the citations have certainly changed. Thusly, I dont know offhand what the above cites say. My error for quoting from a 2-yr old rulebook.

1-5-3&4 in the 2005 book are totally unrelated.

Appreciate the kudos on my historic award. Never won anything in my life, then one day.......

[BretMan]

That rule is refering to a helmet (with ear flaps) and a standard mask combination. That is totally different than mandating a hockey-style mask.

By your citation of this rule, is it your contention that HSM's are mandated (ie: required) by FED rules?

Or, do you mean to say that they are allowed (ie: optional)?

[UmpJM]

Originally Posted by BretMan

That rule is refering to a helmet (with ear flaps) and a standard mask combination. That is totally different than mandating a hockey-style mask.

By your citation of this rule, is it your contention that HSM's are mandated (ie: required) by FED rules?

Or, do you mean to say that they are allowed (ie: optional)?

Bretman,

Not sure if you're asking me, or someone else, but, by my read, HSMs are cetainly allowed, but certainly not required for the F2.

JM

[LMan]

Originally Posted by BretMan

That rule is refering to a helmet (with ear flaps) and a standard mask combination. That is totally different than mandating a hockey-style mask.

By your citation of this rule, is it your contention that HSM's are mandated (ie: required) by FED rules?

Or, do you mean to say that they are allowed (ie: optional)?

No, not my intent. I was quoting in the context of contrasting a seperate mask-and-cap combo (traditional umpire) with a helmet of any type, HSM or not. In my (admittedly outdated) cite, Art 7 requires a 'head protector'....and then Art 8 states that "the catcher's helmet and mask combination shall meet NOCSAE..."

It doesnt say, "IF the catcher wears a helmet and mask combination, it shall meet NOCSAE"..it strongly implies that he WILL wear such a combination.

Art 8 further describes: ".....the commercialy manufactured catcher's head, face and throat protection..:"

All of that doesn't sound like a turned-around baseball cap to me, and that's the point I was trying to make, muddled though my attempt was.

So, what other "helmet and mask combination" is commonly used other than a HSM? Or am I so HSM-ignorant that I'm assuming that F2s' "h and m combos" are all HSMs?