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What have you got?
I had a long talk with Mr. Carlucci the other day, and he was telling me some excellent stories. He was one of the trickier ones, so What have you got?
R2,R3, - R3 in a run down, R2 moves to and is on third base, R3 is retreting to third, stumbles as he gets to third, trips and heads past third toward the outfield, over running the bag, Third baseman heads to tag R3 off the bag. Whats the call?? To those who have had this talk with CECE, let the other answer first. Or lets have the debate, anyway.
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Sun Mar 11, 2007, 03:37pm
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My Guess
R2 is called out for passing a preceding runner. If R3 is tagged while off the bag, he is also out.
Do I win?
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Sun Mar 11, 2007, 03:38pm
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indeed you do
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Sun Mar 11, 2007, 03:40pm
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Sun Mar 11, 2007, 07:18pm
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Where and when did R2 pass R3? It's NOTHING until F5 tags R3. Bob Last edited by bluezebra; Sun Mar 11, 2007 at 07:27pm.
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Sun Mar 11, 2007, 08:27pm
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I agree, I dont think R2 passed the preceding runner. Its a similar situation as when 2 runners end up on the same base.....in this case, since R3 ran back to 3rd and overran toward the outfield, I'd call R3 out-- for out of the baseline..no need to tag...
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Sun Mar 11, 2007, 09:31pm
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Sun Mar 11, 2007, 09:33pm
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Sun Mar 11, 2007, 09:35pm
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Can't see how you can rule R2 out for passing R3 on this play unless R3's stumble took him CONSIDERABLY toward 2nd base (completely and unmistakenly behind R2 if viewed from, say, PU's vantagepoint). A simple stumble up the 3rd baseline doesn't put him "behind" 3rd base - it just puts him OFF 3rd base and liable to be tagged.
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Sun Mar 11, 2007, 10:06pm
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You don't measure the distance from a particular base to determine whether a runner has passed another runner (and if you did, you could use the same logic from 2nd base in this case and get the reverse answer - R2 is 90 feet in front of 2nd base, R3 is (since he's diagonal) some 92-93 feet from 2nd - so by your logic, PAST R3). You simply look at the line between 2nd and 3rd (in this case), ignoring how far left or right of that line the runner may be - if R2 is COMPLETELY past R3, he's out (and remember - he must be 100% beyond the runner he has supposedly passed to be considered past him.) From that perspective, on this play, R2 has not passed R3 unless R3 took a rather wide turn toward 2nd base during his stumble. PS - you send me the page number that lists the words "retreat rights" and I'll send you a hundred bucks. Throw profanity my way if you have to sink to that level, since you have no leg to stand on with this. There's no such thing. Other than "running the bases in reverse order in order to create a travesty of the game", there is nothing that says a runner cannot move backward on the basepaths. (There are specific cases where if a runner did so to avoid a tag, it could be illegal ... but not anything that could be applied to THIS play). PPS - my calculator and my physics book don't have the number "niney" in it.
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Sun Mar 11, 2007, 08:29pm
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Where and when did R2 pass R3?
Good question. Not on the basepaths. In a similar way: Abel on 1B, no outs. Baker hits a low liner that F4 dives for and traps. Abel mistakenly thinks the ball was caught on the fly and slides back into 1B. Abel chooses to throw to 1B, but Baker beats the throw and overruns 1B. Nobody out yet. Of course Abel, forced to 2B, is an easy out, but I don't see that Baker passed Abel simply by overrrunning 1B. In the original thread, I don't see that R2 passed R3 because R3 crossed over 3B. (Didn't we dispense with this one years ago?)
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Sun Mar 11, 2007, 11:08pm
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My try at it...
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If F5 tagged R3 after he fell off the base, R3 is out and R2 is now on third. R2 can't be out for passing R3 when he is standing still and R3 is retreating, technically speaking, because you said that R3 tripped and overran the bag, but you did not say that he touched it. Let's play more ball... LomUmp 
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