That depends. Is it a day game or a night game?

Day-night doubleheader. And to make it even more confusing, they opened the top of the dome for the second game after it stopped raining.

Doesn't look like you get it yet.

Was it above or below 53 degrees?


(Aside to Tim: You've got your work cut out for you.)

:rolleyes:

Nobody believed me anyway
 

Coach JM was right in post #2. I had not paid much attention to it. Then he changed the ruling in post #7 and was right again. I had hung my hat on it. Coach JM later corrected his error in post #45 and was still right again. I kept asking for CoachJM to explain why he would first call one play foul, then fair, and then foul again. I wanted to know the difference between post 2, 7 and 45; or if anyone could help me understand what was going on. That "hat" I was relying on accidently fell off my head and hit the turf when I stumbled.

My entire argument rested on the fact that I had initially read "a fair batted ball hits it" in post #7. I got distracted and couldn't see why a fair ball could be foul. I now see he meant to say a batted ball all along and was unaware of his own mistake. I was also unaware of the difference until the rug was pulled out from under me. So much for the grand canal theory. But Coach, I would never ever change a foul call to fair. That was ugly.

For a moment, it sounded like you got it... then you lost it again.

If a ball hits a pebble in fair territory, and rolls foul before passing 1st or 3rd base, what do you call?

Now ... change pebble to helmet and your answer should be the same.

If you don't get that, stop umpiring.

I think he's pointing out that there's a difference between "a batted ball in fair territory" and "a ball that has been judged to have become fair because of meeting one of the requirements." The phrase "fair ball" is often used to describe both, when perhaps "batted ball" should be used for the former and "fair ball" for the latter. Shrug. IMO, context will usually tell you which meaning is being used.

CoachJM answered in post 45.

You apparently missed that - or are deliberately ignoring it.

Posts 9, 11, 13 and 18
 

I'm not sure if its a context issue or a multiple redundancy issue? I added Bob's explanation as it is the closest one to being FAIR. It's one thing to write about a fair batted ball or a batted ball over fair territory as Bob has correctly pointed out. It's another to write about a fair batted ball in fair territory. Also that damn helmet/pebble analogy is tougher to understand than the helmet/bat anaolgy I expected (post 11 above) to find.

I had no intention of bringing up the same subject for another round of discussion. I was merely trying to point out why post 45 was necessary. I would like to thank Bob J again for pointing that out somehwere back around post 50. I can't understand how Bob understands me and why I still need a translator to get a point across. Did I miss something there GMBoy (not BOB)? Oh, PFISTO is a post deleter.

I should of stopped at 18, but getting here was more fun. I told you that a long time ago.

SAump:

If a batter removes his helmet and tries to hit a pitch, and misses, is it a strike?

2.00 A STRIKE is a legal pitch when so called by the umpire, which --
(a) Is struck at by the batter and is missed;

Doesn't say "struck at with his bat" after all.

Critical Anal-Ysist
 

I would caution young umpires to be careful reading that pebble = helmet argument. I find half of it to be very weak. A pebble is treated very differently. After reading through the material, I would say BOB also provides the best answer above. The play continues when the ball is touched or settles over fair territory and NO longer "remains in PLAY" if it is declared FOUL.
Butter one more UP by the way. I would be willing to entertain thoughts about a falling player loosing both his cap and glove after colliding with an umpire in the vicinity of home plate. {All for one and one for all.} Glad the coaches and fans I know don't really pay much attention to this rule because that umpire is highly QUALIFIED not to be there in the first place. I would be willing to bet the rules would change after a lengthy protest and another coaches poll. I would have missed test item #33 too. Please comment if you know of a real situation where the possibility of the likeness of any of these events may have occurred. Gotta get the word out to those pollsters.

Never suddenly go off your medication without your doctor's supervision.

Gone fishing yet?
 

A little S-N-L never hurt anyone. A lack of humor and of a lack of patience are a bad thing. Some folks are much too serious. Why didn't you SUM it all UP for us ONE more TIME? You may have learned something. FOUL or is it FOUL ball? :p

You just never know
 

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