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Old Fri Jan 26, 2007, 01:30am
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Scrimmages:
Looks like The Incarnate Word is going to scrimmage on Saturday and Sunday, so our advanced students will get a chance to work a few innings of college ball while the pro's provide an evaluation.
Live college ball this weekend. Hope the weather is beautiful.

See ya next year.
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Old Fri Jan 26, 2007, 09:03am
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Hmmm,

"Live college ball this weekend. Hope the weather is beautiful."

Gonna go watch, huh?

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Old Fri Jan 26, 2007, 10:40am
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Do they teach not to say, "legally and properly equipped?"
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Old Sat Jan 27, 2007, 09:31pm
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"Live college ball this weekend. Hope the weather is beautiful."

Gonna go watch, huh?

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Group one had the game today, one inning behind the dish and one on the field. The pro guys evaluated them from the sidelines. The most experienced umps there commented on how great it was to go through that kind of evaluation on their game. I can't wait.

Our group spent the day on situations on another practice field. I get to take the the plate and field tomorrow. Left with a sunburned face and tired legs. I am sure the snowbirds were comfortable. They're probably having a better time even now. Hope they get some sleep.

One thing I did learn that I would like to pass along. No more "Thats a balk." Now we call the balk and verbally explain the call aloud. Can't leave our partner thinking about the call anymore. Ex: Hands, shoulder, knees or toes, etc. Designed to end the discussion in the peanut gallery. What did he do? I liked it.
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Old Sat Jan 27, 2007, 10:18pm
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SA, what's new about that balk mechanic? Not saying "That's a..."????
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Old Sat Jan 27, 2007, 11:57pm
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Pointing out the other end of it

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SA, what's new about that balk mechanic? Not saying "That's a..."????
Calling a balk and justifying the call aloud for all to hear ends a lot of the horse pissing. Adding what the pitcher did wrong is now considered an improved verbal mechanic. It makes it easier for all to learn the subleties of a balk call and easier to run those who might disagree. A good coach who usually always comes out to protect his pitcher or to buy him time to regain that edge is taking a pretty big risk now. Coach, you have any other {dumb} questions before I run YOU off this field?

The game is no longer delayed for explanations and pitching instructions. Let's say your partner calls a balk and you didn't see it because you didn't have that angle. Now you have some valuable info when the coach asks you for an explanation between innings when you return to A. You no longer visit between innings to find out what you may have missed. No need to repeat the call because the pitcher violated a balk rule. It speeds up the game when all sides are on the same page.

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Old Sun Jan 28, 2007, 12:42am
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Calling a balk and justifying the call aloud for all to hear ends a lot of the horse pissing. Adding what the pitcher did wrong is now considered an improved verbal mechanic. It makes it easier for all to learn the subleties of a balk call and easier to run those who might disagree. A good coach who usually always comes out to protect his pitcher or to buy him time to regain that edge is taking a pretty big risk now. Coach, you have any other {dumb} questions before I run YOU off this field?

The game is no longer delayed for explanations and pitching instructions. Let's say your partner calls a balk and you didn't see it because you didn't have that angle. Now you have some valuable info when the coach asks you for an explanation between innings when you return to A. You no longer visit between innings to find out what you may have missed. No need to repeat the call because the pitcher violated a balk rule. It speeds up the game when all sides are on the same page.
Are the instructors who have given you this new mechanic representing that it is a PBUC adopted mechanic that is being taught to professional umpires?

There is already a similar mechanic in the MLB Umpire Manual that hit the internets back in 01 or 02. Are your instructors saying that what they are teaching is an expansion on the mechanic described in that manual?
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Old Sun Jan 28, 2007, 12:51am
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One thing I did learn that I would like to pass along. No more "Thats a balk." Now we call the balk and verbally explain the call aloud. Can't leave our partner thinking about the call anymore. Ex: Hands, shoulder, knees or toes, etc. Designed to end the discussion in the peanut gallery. What did he do? I liked it.
This isn't new.
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Old Mon Jan 29, 2007, 06:30pm
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Like Garth says...this ain't new!! "Thats a balk, no stop"...works everytime. Also, never use more than 5 words.
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Old Mon Jan 29, 2007, 09:43pm
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" . . . tangle untangle."

Wow, join the majority . . . we've only used that term since the '75 Series with Fisk/Armbruster.

I guess some join the group late.

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Old Mon Jan 29, 2007, 10:35pm
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To Borrow from Paul Harvey

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" . . . tangle untangle."

Wow, join the majority . . . we've only used that term since the '75 Series with Fisk/Armbruster.

I guess some join the group late.

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Others who have used the term on this baseball site: THREE; umpyre007 in 2001, Carl Childress in April 2005 and CoachJM in May 2006. I surely read both the April 2005 thread and May 2006 thread at the time. The term just escaped my attention back then.

Obstruction/interference/flagrant slide

Quoting Mr. Childress, "Me: It seems so. "Tangle, untangle": Cute description that we don't use in the Southwest."

Papa C speaks for me. I couldn't have said it any differently today.
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Old Mon Jan 29, 2007, 06:45pm
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At the last clinic, we were calling ball, strike and strike three. This last weekend, we were calling ball 1, 2, 3 and 4 with emphasis on ball 4. We were also numbering strikes 1, 2, and 3. I wonder if this has anything to do with a growing "get rid of the indicator" trend.
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Old Mon Jan 29, 2007, 06:49pm
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At the last clinic, we were calling ball, strike and strike three. This last weekend, we were calling ball 1, 2, 3 and 4 with emphasis on ball 4. We were also numbering strikes 1, 2, and 3. I wonder if this has anything to do with a growing "get rid of the indicator" trend.
The proschools and Evans' Classics has had students doing this for years, with the caveat that this is for training purposes only.

Your "professional" instructors seem to be copying some of the proschool instruction methods.
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