Calling Time Out

[bobbybanaduck]

you believe incorrectly

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

you believe incorrectly

That's always a possibility, so I will be checking with them tomorrow.

It's also possible that my information is old. I'll be asking about that,too.

Might I inquire how recent your information regarding JEAPU and PBUC is?

[Chris_Hickman]

I believe, with runners on any base, both the Academy and PBUC instruct PU to call time when cleaning the plate. I realize that Proschool and PBUC may not be as prestigious as the SDCBUA, whatever the hell that is, but I doubt umpires will go far wrong by following what is taught at the professional level.

Ya... the schools also teach that with R2, R1 and R2, the base guy is to look over his shoulder during each pitch. Let me tell ya...that doesnt always happen..oh ya, I forget..the base guy has to be in a hands-on-knees position for every pick off play @ 1st!!! Good luck with that.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Chris_Hickman

Ya... the schools also teach that with R2, R1 and R2, the base guy is to look over his shoulder during each pitch. Let me tell ya...that doesnt always happen..oh ya, I forget..the base guy has to be in a hands-on-knees position for every pick off play @ 1st!!! Good luck with that.

You're becoming cynical in your old age, Chris. I knew I liked you for some reason.

[bobbybanaduck]

Originally Posted by Chris_Hickman

Ya... the schools also teach that with R2, R1 and R2, the base guy is to look over his shoulder during each pitch. Let me tell ya...that doesnt always happen..oh ya, I forget..the base guy has to be in a hands-on-knees position for every pick off play @ 1st!!! Good luck with that.

true, the over the shoulder peek is taught at the schools, and required by pbuc, but, only for the first year. once pbuc thinks you have a grasp of where the runners are, the tell you that you don't need to peek anymore.

also, pbuc does not require the hok (hands on knees) set for pickoffs. it's taught at the schools to get everybody to look the same and to try to bang into the heads of the students the concept of being square to the play.

back to the topic at hand of calling time to dust the dish... i do it if the situation warrants, and don't if it doesn't. imo, the act of turning my back on the field for 1.3 seconds is not enough to warrant me killing the ball. i have partners on the field watching what's going on. furthermore, i try not to clean the plate during live ball situations. wait for a foul ball, wait for time to be out already, whatever. this is not to say, however, that i won't call time if the thing gets completely covered and it's going to require more effort than a couple of quick sweeps.

edited to fix typos and define hok. sorry steve.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

true, the pver the shoulder peek is taught at the schools, and rewuired by pbuc, nut, only for the first year. once pbuc thinks you have a grasp of where the runners are, the tell you that you don't need to peek anymore.

also, pbuc does not require the hok set for pickoffs. it's taught at the schools to get everybody to look the same and to try to bang into the heads of the students the concept of being square to the play.

Bobby,

I managed to decipher the first three typos, but what on earth is a "hok" set. I don't get that one?

[Tim C]

HOK = Hands on Knees

[bobbybanaduck]

thanks, tim. typos edited.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Tim C

HOK = Hands on Knees

Wow, I totally missed that one! Thanks.

[bobbybanaduck]

Originally Posted by GarthB

That's always a possibility, so I will be checking with them tomorrow.

It's also possible that my information is old. I'll be asking about that,too.

Might I inquire how recent your information regarding JEAPU and PBUC is?

as current as it gets, sir.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

as current as it gets, sir.

You mention "partners." From that I assume you are working three man. Perhaps it was a mistake, but I have had two man mechanics in mind during this thread.

It's not that I doubt your credentials, but, I contacted a graduate from last year who said that they were told to call time when cleaning the plate in two man with runners on.

I note that the rookies at the local short season A games also call time when cleaning the plate with runners on. I am still awaiting word from the JEAPU office, however.

Perhaps this is one of those things that as one gains inexperience, he no longer feel the necessity to work as trained.

[bobbybanaduck]

wokring as trained meaning as trained at school? if that's the case, take note of jimmy's sidenote about the training given early and often at every clinic...don't work exactly like this when you get in the game or when you return home and work in your local association. the mechanics of the training at the schools serve specific purposes, which i touched on in an earlier post.

i guarantee you that nowhere in the course of the training are students taught to call time when cleaning the plate. the only time that cleaning the plate is touched on is at the beginning of the cage work session, and time is assumed to be out already as the drill has not begun yet.

no, you did not misread "partners," though i work the same in the 2 man system. the back to the infield argument was covered quite well a few posts back with the exapmple of nobody on BU goes out. PU takes BR into 2B. BU returns and assumes responsibility for BR at 2B. PU pivots out and returns to work, without calling time. same would hold true after a rotation to 3B. play ends with runner safe at 3B, PU pivots out and goes back to work. don't call time to unwind rotations.

[NFump]

Wow, four pages on something as trivial as whether or not to call time when cleaning the plate. Amazing. It's rivaling the five pages on ball bags. Simply awesome.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

wokring as trained meaning as trained at school? if that's the case, take note of jimmy's sidenote about the training given early and often at every clinic...don't work exactly like this when you get in the game or when you return home and work in your local association. the mechanics of the training at the schools serve specific purposes, which i touched on in an earlier post.

i guarantee you that nowhere in the course of the training are students taught to call time when cleaning the plate. the only time that cleaning the plate is touched on is at the beginning of the cage work session, and time is assumed to be out already as the drill has not begun yet.

no, you did not misread "partners," though i work the same in the 2 man system. the back to the infield argument was covered quite well a few posts back with the exapmple of nobody on BU goes out. PU takes BR into 2B. BU returns and assumes responsibility for BR at 2B. PU pivots out and returns to work, without calling time. same would hold true after a rotation to 3B. play ends with runner safe at 3B, PU pivots out and goes back to work. don't call time to unwind rotations.

My response from JEAPU came in.

Although it was once (some time ago) taught to call time when cleaning the plate, "there is now no uniform directive." The plate umpire should call time if he feels the need and not call time when he doesn't. Further, "If he feels the need, he shouldn't be cleaning the plate."

I stand updated, corrected and informed.

As to Jimmy's side note, as he tells it, it applies to certain things, not everything. There is much that is taught at both the five week and the classics that he would hope you take home.

Thanks for your help, bobby.....

[bobbybanaduck]

Originally Posted by GarthB

My response from JEAPU came in.

Although it was once (some time ago) taught to call time when cleaning the plate, "there is now no uniform directive." The plate umpire should call time if he feels the need and not call time when he doesn't. Further, "If he feels the need, he shouldn't be cleaning the plate."

I stand updated, corrected and informed.

As to Jimmy's side note, as he tells it, it applies to certain things, not everything. There is much that is taught at both the five week and the classics that he would hope you take home.

Thanks for your help, bobby.....

i didn't say not to take things home with you. this is why one attends such schools or clinics; to get better. i said that he urges students not to work EXACTLY like they are taught at school, read: like a robot. i couldn't tell if the thanks was sincere or sarcastic due to the trailing off..... if it was sincere, then you're welcome. if it was the latter, then i stick my tongue out at you. have a nice day.