don't worry, Nascar, horse racing, turtle racing, cock fighting ... all qualify as sport from the definition we have been given.

Not sure I understand? Soccer is the number one sport internationally, no?

Explain?

No one said all sports were equal. Take drinking beer and watching machines run in circles, for example. 'Bout as exciting as curling.

I think it is number one internationally, but it has never caught on quite as huge here in the U.S. as it has in other countries.

I believe that's what I said. And what I attempted to imply is that means about as much as any growth of NASCAR.

i dont really see what you are implying, number 1 game in the world seems like a pretty important thing - i guess i'm missing something! i guess you are inferring that it doesnt matter because its not big in the US, but I think it still does matter. America isn't the only country in the world that matters.

my perspective on this:

If it doesn't have defense, it's not a sport. Everything else is a competitive hobby.

The following have defense:

Chess

Battleship®

Risk®

Are they sports?:confused:

NASCAR has teams, strenuous competition, year-round dedication, sponsors, fans, national presence, thrill of victory and agony of defeat. Under what possible definition could it be considered not a sport? That you are not a fan don't count. That part I know because I would rather watch the grass grow than a soccer event, but it's still a major sport, loved my millions, as is auto racing. Anyone who thinks NASCAR doesn't have defense hasn't been watching close enough.

I guess for me it's the cars. But I don't really care whether it's a sport, and in any case the issue doesn't have much to do with officiating or umpiring.

Being a Western Canadian, taking a shot at curling is fighting words!!! :D

However, if you think curling isn't a sport, perhaps you should give it a try and find out how hard it really is. Not the easiest thing in the world to do and you'll discover sore muscles you didn't think existed. It really does require altheticism and a great deal of skill and intelligence.

As for soccer, I've had a running arguement with a co-worker for years as to the number 1 sport in the world. He's a huge USA fan and he insists that regardless of the popularity in the rest of the world, if a sport isn't popular in America then by definition it can't be the most popular in the world. He insists that the other countries are simply uneducated with respect to the sports played in America. (football, baseball, basketball and of course the number one sport HOCKEY!!!) :D

Nascar = Wwf

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Soccer is a great "Third World Sport" . . . as all you need is something to pass as a ball . . . the pitch can be a city street, a field or worse yet a mine field . . .

Any type car race simply has the ultimate penalty for error . . . if AROD makes his seventh error of the week we see "E5" on the scoreboard . . . When Adam Petty, Kenny Irwin, Arton Senna, Jimmy Clark, Peter Revson, or Fireball Roberts made their "error" the penalty was ultimate.

The good old USA has its own "Third World Sport" . . . HOOPS, all you need is a ball and a play ground.

I think by nature "sport" is hard to define because beauty is, as we know, "in the eye . . . " you know the rest . . .

I have same argument constantly about art: is my work art (abstract expressionist), is "jazz fusion" music, and is "American Idol" entertainment?

Hot stove leagues once were about the passion of sport . . . now we don't even know how to define "sport".

Regards,

See you have some knowledge on the subject T. Good to see somebody knows that more people have died than just Dale Sr. Unfortunatly that's what it took to get NASCAR safe.

I will say this though, some of the guys you mentioned died in fluke deals where the machine was to blame, not the car. If you want more details PM me, Irwin's is by far the wierdest.

Did you mean "not the driver?" Just trying to make the sentence jibe.