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LLPA13UmpDan Sun Oct 22, 2006 05:28pm
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Originally Posted by GarthB
Do you mean you don't yell "BALL FOUR. TAKE YOUR BASE!" and then point to first? How's a batter to know he's just been "walked"?:D
I know a guy that will do that when a batters been hit by pitch "Time, I got a dead ball (points to first) batter take your base" :D

ozzy6900 Sun Oct 22, 2006 05:45pm
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Originally Posted by GarthB
Do you mean you don't yell "BALL FOUR. TAKE YOUR BASE!" and then point to first? How's a batter to know he's just been "walked"?:D
You are joking, aren't you Garth?

GarthB Sun Oct 22, 2006 05:48pm
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Originally Posted by ozzy6900
You are joking, aren't you Garth?

Do I need to add more smilies?

ozzy6900 Sun Oct 22, 2006 05:50pm
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Originally Posted by GarthB
Do I need to add more smilies?
Sorry, the smiles were not appearing on any posts.

BigTex Sun Oct 22, 2006 07:10pm
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Originally Posted by LLPA13UmpDan
I know a guy that will do that when a batters been hit by pitch "Time, I got a dead ball (points to first) batter take your base" :D
I am sure you have a "friend" who does that.

waltjp Sun Oct 22, 2006 09:49pm
I call "Ball" only. If the batter looks at me with that confused look I'll tell him that's 4.

GarthB Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:56am
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Originally Posted by waltjp
I call "Ball" only. If the batter looks at me with that confused look I'll tell him that's 4.
The last time I had a batter who stayed at the plate after I called the fourth "Ball", the catcher told him..."Hey, pal, we're only giving four to a batter today...get your a$$ to first, slug."

I loved it. And I've stolen it. If I get another batter who can't count to four I'll use it, minus the "get your a$$ to first, slug."

bossman72 Mon Oct 23, 2006 08:39am
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Originally Posted by GarthB
The last time I had a batter who stayed at the plate after I called the fourth "Ball", the catcher told him..."Hey, pal, we're only giving four to a batter today...get your a$$ to first, slug."

I loved it. And I've stolen it. If I get another batter who can't count to four I'll use it, minus the "get your a$$ to first, slug."

I'll say just "Ball" loud and clear and if the batter doesn't move, i'll go "that's 4" to the batter in a conversational voice.

mcrowder Mon Oct 23, 2006 01:02pm
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Originally Posted by LLPA13UmpDan
I say "ball 4". and same thing with strike 3 looking. other wise on 1,2,3 i say "ball".
There's your answer folks. Based on this post alone, we should all know whether to say "four" or not. ;)

mcrowder Mon Oct 23, 2006 01:03pm
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Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser
You tell everyone it's strike THREE, don't you?
No.

You do? That actually surprises me quite a bit.

GoodwillRef Mon Oct 23, 2006 01:17pm
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Originally Posted by BigUmp56
Do you verbally announce "ball four", or do you simply say "ball" on ball four. I've been taught that by making the verbal announcement that it's ball four we can help to eliminate unnecessary confusion. I know that the game's participants and our partners should know the count at all times, but we all know that isn't always the case.


Tim.
I have been umpiring for 15 years and never said "ball four", but after reading these posts I will change this upcoming season and say "ball four." It just make sense to avoid any confusion on the play. I still will not point towards first like I see some umps do.

GoodwillRef Mon Oct 23, 2006 01:18pm
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Originally Posted by mcrowder
No.

You do? That actually surprises me quite a bit.

I also say strike three, I don't say strike one or strike two.

mcrowder Mon Oct 23, 2006 01:21pm
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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef
I have been umpiring for 15 years and never said "ball four", but after reading these posts I will change this upcoming season and say "ball four." It just make sense to avoid any confusion on the play. I still will not point towards first like I see some umps do.
You've been a good umpire for 15 years. Don't pick up bad habits just because the LL trolls here tell you to. The only actual umpire who has told you do say "Ball four" here is Rich - the rest ... not so much. (And as I mentioned, it shocked me the Rich said he does this). Note the guys who have said not to do this - surely they carry a BIT more weight than the guys (other than Rich) saying to say Ball Four, don't ya think?

GoodwillRef Mon Oct 23, 2006 01:24pm
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Originally Posted by mcrowder
You've been a good umpire for 15 years. Don't pick up bad habits just because the LL trolls here tell you to. The only actual umpire who has told you do say "Ball four" here is Rich - the rest ... not so much. (And as I mentioned, it shocked me the Rich said he does this). Note the guys who have said not to do this - surely they carry a BIT more weight than the guys (other than Rich) saying to say Ball Four, don't ya think?
I think it is a good tool to use. We have to remember sometimes the batter may forget the count and I don't see using this as a problem. If you want to use it go ahead, if you don't, don't!!!

mcrowder Mon Oct 23, 2006 01:25pm
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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef
I also say strike three, I don't say strike one or strike two.
Most people's signals (some might say antics) differ significantly on strike three from strikes 1 and 2, especially on a called strike 3. But there is no reason for us to say strike three. And if you don't buy it coming from me or the other guys here that agree ... please watch MLB, MiLB, or NCAA guys - they don't do it either.


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