When people post the entire interp from the MLBUM, I can see a little better. I was only trying to have a discussion, not what was and wasn't A better question would be did you know what to do before the thread? I did notice where you were struggling with the last time by concept.:rolleyes:

You're welcome. Now don't call Time on ball four when the runners are forced to advance, and we'll know you learned something.:)

The MLBUM was cited in the 14th post in this thread. You must have just missed it before you made your claim. And no, in the 16 seasons I've been working big diamond baseball I had no idea that a pitch that was caught by F2 when the pitcher balked was not automatically a dead ball. The truth is, I'd never even heard of this MLBUM resource. Maybe someday I'll get a copy. Yea, the LTB had my head going in circles until CBfoulds set me straight. I'm happy to learn from others on some of these forums.



Tim.

With that general agreement on how it *should* be called, and recognizing that umpires don't always do what should be done (through ignorance or habit), I think it's time to end this discussion.