Public Apology
 

Bob Jenkins and others,

I would like to make an apology for my behavior the last few days. It is because of members like Steve Meyer and Tim Haag. They always bring out the worst in me. They have from the very first time I joined this forum. I am thoroughly aggravated at the backstabbing job they did to me on the ABUA forum. Much like they tried to pull here if you remember. I never denied any wrongdoing and accepted my suspension. They in turn, blamed theirs on me. Revenge was their only motive for what they did. Unfortunately, this is the only place I can air my feelings. So again, I apologize and will try to not vent at their misguided way of life.

Yaaay! Now make it stick. By the way, have you seen the keys?

Apology accepted.

No, you are reponsible for your own poor behavior, as Steve and Tim are responsible for their poor behavior.

Leave it at the ABUA forum. Don't drag many unwilling participants into the frey.

Obviously, from the tenor of your recent rants and from your own quote above, you still are not accepting responsibility.

Deal with them personally, (e-mails, PM's), or vent to your own qualified mental health professional. Do not do it here on a baseball umpiring forum.

There you go again. Stop blaming others, (though they DO hold responsibility in this debacle) and take responsibility for YOUR actions. Control that which you can.

JMHO !

Next time try a real apology. A real apology is where you don't blame others for what you're apologizing for.

Actually, it's crap like these two posts these that always keep things stirred up. However, I wouldn't expect anymore from the likes of Carbide Keyman and Rich Fronheiser. Face it Rich, you do the same thing every time Carl posts. I just stated the facts the way I see them. Maybe it's time you started to grow up a little bit, too.

But heck, you are who you are. Superiority complex aside, you're might be a pretty decent guy. Perhaps one day we'll find out, but I'm not taking any bets anytime soon.

I try to never rip personalities or people. Let's use Carl as an example:

I may not always agree with Carl, but I have great respect for him and what he's accomplished. I've bought the BRD every season since it's been re-released and I've bought all his books since he's joined RightSports.

Personally, Carl and I don't always get along. I enjoyed writing for Rightsports, but I'm not sure Carl and I were compatible as writer and editor. I can't write X number of articles in a month and I wasn't fond of public editing in the form of "Editor's Notes." Someday maybe Carl and I will try again, but I haven't been asked and I'm OK with that.

Likewise, I felt I did a pretty good job when I was a moderator here, but because of Carl and I having a series of public disagreements a business decision was made. I do wish Brad would appoint a few more moderators, though, cause Bob and Mick can't be everywhere.

There are a few of us who aren't exactly warm and fuzzy people, but notice that NONE of us hide behind a pseudonym. Maybe we should, but I don't spend a lot of time worrying about that. I don't have dreams of working D-I in any sport I call and what I post here won't threaten what I currently do work.

I guess I'll start looking for them damn keys again. I need to get a hook or a bowl or something to put them in. Gotta go, I have to check my pants pockets........maybe I left them in the truck.

Didja throw 'em in the wash in a pocket?

Okay, let's just go with the standard I'm always wrong. How's that. Since I worked in arbitrations for a whole career, I think I would make a perfect choice as an extra moderator. Believe me I heard it all and I have plenty of spare time at the moment.

Unlike a certain person who shall go unnamed, I can be fair and unbiased.

He was probably scratching his ear with them and they fell inside.:D

That's funny.:o Ya little mook.:p Maybe I won't need them thar keys after all.

Okay, I can't stand it anymore, I have to voice my opinion.

First of all, let me preface by saying that I'm relatively new to the internet forum thing. That being said, the first day I visited this forum, I sensed a fued going on, and I admit, I was amused by it initially. I don't really know anyone here, other than to recognize their moniker. I am beginning to recognize those who post from experience with and knowledge of rule and mechanics and those who just shoot from the hip.

Secondly, I don't know the whole story behind this clash, and to tell the truth, I don't wanna know. I do think that it's time to bury the hatchet already and move on. How anyone can get so upset from an internet forum is beyond me.

I'm not trying to suggest that someones feelings were not hurt. It's obvious that happened. I'm also not trying to suggest that someone shouldn't have gotten pi$$ed. But I am suggesting that sometimes this happens in life. The best thing about the internet is that one can either choose to ignore a person, or choose to continue fighting. What do you choose? A quote that I use in my signature on another forum is, "An angry player can't argue with the back of an umpire who is walking away." - Bill Klem. Think about that!

I joined in late March of this year, and this pi$$ing match has been going on since then. I think everyone involved needs to ask themselves if it's worth 5 months of aggravation, I'll bet the answer is no.

I have disagreements with a lot of people from time to time. And sometimes I may say something that is hurtful, but in the end, I either change MY mind, or I agree to disagree. I'll never try to force a person to change his/her mind. If he/she does change his/her mind, they do it on their own.

I'm not speaking to anyone in particular, but I think many of the bystanders here want to see an end to this non-sense. Live and let live for crying out loud! Move on and get over it!




I'm out.

10-4! 10-4!

I completely agree with you. The problem not everyone is here for the same agenda. I have been on many boards and many have nothing to do with officiating. All of them have people who like to hide behind their names and throw stones when they likely would not say a thing to this person's face. That is never going to change even on at a place where we are talking about officiating.

Peace

Your right, that all it was amusing as far I was concerned. I never took anything they said personal. I just considered the source of the comments. They are ones that took it personal. Their actions on the ABUA website were just a example of what kind people they really are. You will find having a spine and standing up to certain people will earn you a label. They don't mind sticking the needle in you, they just resent the fact when they are made the pin cushion. It's amazing how many critics there are in the umpiring community. My problem is I have two that are self obsessed with me. Personally, I don't feel these forums serve any function except for a few to beat their own drum. Unfortunately, they don't realize how out of tune they really are.

Try the ignore button perhaps, as others have already suggested.

What's the matter? Did I hurt your feelings? Maybe you should go to a forum where the moderator is biased. You've been snipping with this line long enough, don't ya think.

Are you umpire? I was just wondering because you never have an opinion on umpiring issues.

No, I'm not an umpire, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. :D

Sigh ........................
 

This gentleman doesn't get it.

And, sadly it seems, never will.

The ignore button does not work when you want to read posts and understand the context.

The key is to not engage in conversation with people that you do not respect or have any concern. You do not need a button to do that.

Peace

That's good to know. I would have figured you were more the Roach Motel kind of guy.......:D

You know roaches check in, but they don't check out.;)

And thank you for proving my point.

Dude.... give it a rest.

You appear to be trying to pick a fight in a "public apology" thread that you started. What gives? :confused:

These are just a few of the many "constructive" posts made to this board by my friend from Texas.



Tim.

I did give an apology. Apparently it wasn't good enough for some people. The two people that you just referenced are nothing but lackeys for the two posters that shall go unmentioned. They have an axe to grind and I'm sure they are still sharpening it as I speak.

Just when I thought you may have been getting it. You're barking up the wrong tree little one.

If you can continue on with the "backstabbing" line and continue to hijack threads with your whining and crying and insults then I can continue with the "where are the keys" line.

Naner, naner, boo, boo Stick your head in doo-doo!:p

You would have to begin by having a point.

And, with that, I'm done with you.

I have remained mum on this issue because I believe that words can't hurt. As umpires, we need to master communication skills and learn the art of deflection. We will be the target of taunts - some deserved while others illogical at best.

Now...the only thing I can say is what my Mother taught me too long ago; you shouldn't apologize and use the words 'but', 'however' or 'if they had acted otherwise'. In other words, don't qualify your accountability.

I can't recall apologizing for anything that I have written on these forums. Maybe my words sting or prevent legitimate discussion from transpiring sometimes, but 0s and 1s don't mean much in the grand scheme of things. (Computerese for those who don't get it.) I have been involved in heated debates with many on this forum, yet I don't consider them enemies. A difference of opinion is the spice of life. (Besides, I know that I'm right and they are always wrong! ;) )

So...what to do? It appears that our antagonists will keep pushing each other's hot buttons. Either learn to ignore it or do it in a way that wins the battle and gets the thread locked. Getting the last word in but looking like a chump is never becoming for an umpire - reference: Tim Timmons.

Life is short.

Would you really like for Brad to see this. I don't think so. Why don't you go back and show some of the things that you and Steve have said to me. Thanks for proving my point about holding a grudge and having an axe to grind. Don't try to act all innocent. Posting stuff like this should get you banned permanently. I have never complained about anything you have said about me. You just went too far with your backstabbing. I'm over that. I figure the less I read of the two of you, the better off I am. I can't even enjoy reading any posts without having to encounter this kind of stuff. All your doing is pointing fingers. I've at least had the courage to apologize. Face it, I really don't have a problem with anyone except the both of you. Just remember, you and Steve started with me a long time ago. I wish your memory wasn't so selective. In a way I feel sorry for you. It must be a burden to walk around with so much hate in one's heart.

Don't make promises you can't keep.........:rolleyes:

Hey all,

1. Blaming others is NOT apologizing
2. Are your feeling hurt? Do you need a WAAA-mbulance?
3. Last but not least...Better to be silent and be thought a fool than speak and remove all doubt!

Basically, quit yo cryin'. No one wants to hear it except you.

LomUmp:cool:

I think the keys are in the door. Let's check on the way out.

I don't think so!:D How you doing? Getting better I hope (sincerely).

That's funny. The rest is also quite true. Do I hear a consensus?

You know, I really should have taken my own advice, and not even posted
to you.Others have said don't feed the trolls, but I didn't listen, and did so.
I won't make that mistake again.

But he's so hungry! Look at him he's a rail. Besides he keeps using that line from "Little Shop of Horrors" you know "FEED ME!"

You two are some strange birds. You know how to give the insult. You just don't know how to take the insult.

BTW-Who did you ask to the big Jr. High back to school dance?

BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"Light dawns over Marblehead..."

JM

Tired of it.
Locked.