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Event 1 occurs at 1:24:06pm, Central Daylight Time. Are you saying it is impossible for Event 2, 3, 4, 5, etc. to happen at exactly that same point in time? To any level of precision short of infinity, two events most assuredly CAN occur at EXACTLY the same time. To the human eye, even the best of them, the level of precision is far short of infinity. |
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The whole point is, you have to make either a safe or and out call. You can't tell the coach that both events happened at the same time.
Yes, there are times that the way the play was made enters in to the out/safe decision. But the bottom line is that the runner has to beat the play in order to be safe. The onus is on him to actually get there before the tag, not arrive at the same time. Same time = out.
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The "benefit of the doubt" concept that I and some others advocate is simply an alternative manner of making the decision on the coin-flip call. It's a concept I endorse because it is not arbitrary and it has a logical and understandable rationale behind it. It is a concept that finds the umpire more often making "the expected call" and therefore has implications for smoother game management and the development of the perception among other game participants that you're a consistent and competent umpire. It is a bit more nuanced than "call what you see, and if it's a tie then call "out," so I do have to give your system credit for perfectly adhering to the KISS principle, no doubt about that. |
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I will call what I got, not make calls to make games go more smoothly. And I'm sure the head hanchos will commend me for this. |
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I would submit that most of us want to be perceived by our subordinates, superiors, peers, and others as good at what we do. For those with ambition to move up the ladder, such perceptions are necessary, or at least helpful. The 60' Little League fields are littered with one-year 25 times veterans who have never learned that. |
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I care what my assignors, evaluators, etc. think of me. But if it is neccessary to make percieved calls rather than correct ones, then I guess I won't be moving up. And I will not submit to simply pleasing coaches and compromising the integrity of the games I work for my future betterment.
I call balls and strikes as an art, how the catcher catches the ball etc. I will call an OUT if the tag is down in front of the base before the runner slides in. But. I will not take outside considerations to making bang bang, coin-flip calls because "the defense made a bad throw". Didn't F3 make a nice catch to get the bad throw, and get back to the base? Doesn't matter to me, which one happened first? And your dergogatory remark towards LL Umpires was uncalled for, some of the best umpires I have ever played or worked with do solely LL ball. Do you think MLB umps look down at HS umpires? I sure wouldn't think so, so stop doing the equivelent. They are your brothers. Last edited by TussAgee11; Sat Jul 29, 2006 at 03:55pm. |
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As an aside, what I have seen over the years is that there are Little League umpires and there are umpires who work Little League. Dave is an umpire who also works Little League. There is no need to jump on a soapbox when speaking with Dave about Little League. Oh, and regarding pro umpires and their opinion of HS umpires...where were you during the strike?
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It's a simple game, yada yada. Your work is done here. We can shut the board down and free up some bandwidth. |
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I think the "expected call" concept is full of hooey. Smoother game management? I get the calls right, and game participants know this, and I rarely have to explain my calls. I am known as a very consistent and competent umpire by the vast majority of area HS coaches. I also never said that I "call what I see, and if it's a tie then call out." I call them the way they are, either safe or out.
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You could look it up. |
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7.08(e) - Any runner is out when he fails to touch the next base before a fielder tags him or the base, after he has been forced to advance by reason of the batter becoming a runner. Rule 7.01 says basically the same thing: A runner aquires the right to an unoccupied base when he touches it before he's out. Rule 6.05(j) says pretty much the same thing too, in dealing with the B/R: A batter is out when after a third strike or after he hits a fair ball, he or first base is tagged before he touches first base. (I find the distinction so minute, and not at all contradictory, that it still requires the runner to beat the play.) So, to summarize: A runner is out if he does not clearly beat the play. A runner is safe, if he acquires the base before he is out, and he's out if he fails to acquire the base before he or the base is tagged.
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