help with calls made last night's game
 

first of all this is babe ruth league that play's pro rules...first question is when the opposing coach callls time and goes and visits mound the third base coach of the other team calls his runners and batter over to talk and is informed that he can only do this once per inning thus using up his offensive time out...even though the other coach calls timeout?? I assumed that when the other coaches call time I can call my runners off the base and batter together as many times as I want if the other coach is call the time out??/please clarify...next one in the same game runner at first.... batter hits ball that then hits runner..1st baseman picks up ball after it hits runner and tags first before batter gets to first...ump calls delayed dead ball ...calls runner out and batter out...is this possible..thanks for all your help..csuram

Sitch 1: As long as you do not delay the game any further, you can talk to your players when the defense is conferring. If you continue to talk to your players after the defensive conference is over, then you can be charged with the offensive conference.

Sitch 2: As soon as the batted ball hit the runner from first, the ball is dead and the runner is out and the batter gets first base. Unless in the judgement of the umpire no other player had a legitimate chance of making a play on the ball, then the ball remains LIVE.

husker
 

husker so i my bring my players over as many times as i want if the opposing caoch is calling time out and i am not keeping my players together to long...and since the first baseman makes the play on the dead ball the batter is still awarded first..i this what i and hearing thanks in advance..csuram

The umpire incorrectly ruled in this case. First of all, if you are playing by pro rules, there is no such call as "delayed dead ball." The ball is either alive or dead. On plays such as obstruction or batter's interference when there is a possibility that the ball will become dead at a later time, no call is made until that time. Delayed dead ball is a HS and LL call. Secondly, as soon as the ball hit the runner before it reached F3, the ball is immediately dead, R1 is out for interference, and the batter-runner is awarded 1st base. There is no way to get two outs on this play. The umpire blew it.

Delayed dead ball in FED is not for interference. The ball is dead IMMEDIATELY.

Actually it IS possible to get two outs on an interference call. If the umpire rules that the runner INTENTIONALLY interfered, the BR is also out.

Bob

If in the umpires opinion the defense would have probably had a double play had the runner not touched the ball the result would be the runner and the batter would both be retired.

The first two situations in FED where INT is a delayed dead ball that come to mind are coaches interference and batters interference.


Tim.

You can't expect the runner to disappear. If in the umpire's opinion the runner intentionally touched the ball (as bluezebra pointed out) then a double play is awarded. Otherwise, interference is called, runner is called out, and BR is at first.

That is incorrect. Batter's Interference is a delayed dead ball in FED.

In the situation given, it sounds like the umpire incorrectly called both the runner and the BR out. It sounded as though the batted ball just happened to hit the runner. Without intent, it is impossible to call two outs on that play. That is what I thought I was inferring when I wrote what I did. I guess I have to be more careful when using absolutes, because someone will always state an exception to the rule.

guys what about not being able to call my
 

guys what about not being able to call my players over when they call time and coach goes and talks to pitcher...i am being told i can only talk to my players once per inning...if he goes out for the next time out i cannot bring my players over and talk to them..thanks

Husker answered your question:

Sitch 1: As long as you do not delay the game any further, you can talk to your players when the defense is conferring. If you continue to talk to your players after the defensive conference is over, then you can be charged with the offensive conference.

When playing FED rules, if offensive coach calls TO to confer with batter or runners then he can only have one per inning. If he gathers batter or runners together during a TO called by defense as long as this discussion breaks up about the same time the defensive conference does, ie no delay of game, he is not charged with an offensive conference. This can happen more than once per inning.

In OBR he can call TO for as many offensive conferences per inning as the PU will stand for. There is no such thing as being charged with an offensive conference in OBR.

That's right, and batter's interference is enforced exactly the same way in OBR, which is why it is unhelpful when instructing neophyte coaches to say things like "there's no such thing as delayed dead ball in OBR."

It's a concept, not a stipulated rule, and it is valid in several instances in OBR as well as FED.

In FED, Little League, and most other rules codes I'm familiar with, the "other" team can conference for free when a team has a charged conference. I'm don't know if there is a specific ruling in support or to the contrary for your Cal Ripken, but if I were a bettor, I would bet that such an interpretation exists.

If, on the other hand, the offensive coach requests and is granted time to confer with a batter or a runner, and the defensive coach goes out to talk to his pitcher during the offensive conference, the defensive coach is charged with a trip to the mound (NCAA and OBR/PBUC official interpretation).

Well, Dave, if you were really paying attention, he said it was Babe Ruth, who could never, ever be mistaken for Cal Ripken.:) Babe Ruth, playing as he put it "pro rules," which probably means modified OBR. And under OBR, I just posted the proper interp. The offense can confer during a defensive charged trip, but the defense cannot have a free trip during an offensive conference.

It's the other way around - if the umpire judges another player HAD a play on the ball, then the ball remains live. Here's the relevant text of the relevant rule, 7.09(m):

If a fair ball goes through or by an infielder, and touches a runner immediately back of him, or touches the runner after having been deflected by a fielder, the umpire shall not declare the runner out for being touched by a batted ball. In making such decision the umpire must be convinced that the ball passed through, or by, the fielder, and that no other infielder had the chance to make a play on the ball.

You have to parse it carefully, but if you do, I think you'll see that "In making such decision" is referring to the decision to NOT kill the ball; the condition for making that decision - NOT killing the ball - includes "no other infielder had the chance to make a play on the ball."

The play as given is almost surely a simple "runner out for interfering with a batted ball."

Cal Ripken is the 12 yearold division of Babe Ruth Baseball, Inc. So sue me.

I know this, didn't you see the smiley face? It meant I was j/k.

so do we all agree
 

so do we all agree with pro rules a. I can talk to my runners and batter as many times as i want per inning without being charged a time out if we break up when they break up....and B. in pro rules runner is out and batter gets 1st...15yr old babe ruth plays pro rules...thanks csuram

A) You can talk to your runners, and there is no such thing as a charged offensive time out under your rules.

B) Correct.

As Mia Wallace (Uma Thurman) said to Vincent Vega (John Travolta) in Pulp Fiction, "that would be an exercise in futility..."

We can almost agree. I am not going to allow you to delay the game significantly. So if you call time to talk to a batter, a pitch is thrown, and you do it again, I'm going to get real sensitive to offensive time outs for the rest of the game. But if you want to talk to batter and runners while defensive coach is talking to a pitcher, help yourself.

Well he only gets one an inning, I'll say I'll be sensitive to that!

In High School he gets one an inning. In OBR it's until he abuses the privledge. The umpire can stop him, as DG just said, because it is a point not covered in the rules.

It should be a rule in any league that uses time limits for games.

The worst rule ever invented for saving time is "run for the catcher". They are never ready, even if run for.

I was on bases last night. Catcher was run for. When half inning was over, catcher and pitcher are in the dugout for at least a minute. Catcher is putting gear on, pitcher is taking a break because there is nobody to throw to. They come out together and then my partner let's them take another minute and a half taking 5 warmups. I would have told the catcher to throw the first pitch down...

Poor game management.