Yankees/Mets Umpiring Crew

[bob jenkins]

Teh CCA mecahnics have UIC take teh play back at frist if there's only an R1.

If there's R1, R2, then U2 has all plays at first and second, U3 has all plays at third, UIC has R1 tag up at first and any plays at home

[mattmets]

Originally Posted by DG

And what do we think about the rotation early in the game when U1 goes out on a fly ball to F8, Giambi (R1) was half way to 2B and has to dive back into 1B on the throw and is called out by U2 on the throw from F8? U1 was in RCF. U2 seemed to be closer to deep C and moved toward 1B to make the call but was still a long way from 1B.

Joe Morgan kept saying U2 should have gone out so U1 could stay at 1B for the call, but what does he know? I don't recall ever going out from the infield when I was working U2.

I thought the rotation looked right with RISP, but U2 was out of position (at a bad angle) to see the play really clearly. U3 and PU can't go anywhere with the RSIP. These guys rotated absolutely correctly, IMO.

Joe Morgan is an absolute idiot. By trying to explain the rotation he proved, once again, that he is the worst broadcaster in sports. That, plus his and his idiot partner's constant non-waiting for Tim McClelland to call balls and strikes (knowing that for 25 years Tim is very deliberate behind the plate) absolutely killed me.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by PWL

Is that how it works, you have to be in the clique? Just don't make Timmy and Stevie mad?

BTW-Try to be more original. I think you did all your best work at McGriffs.

Tick-tock-tick-tock.


Tim.

[Peruvian]

Originally Posted by mattmets

I thought the rotation looked right with RISP, but U2 was out of position (at a bad angle) to see the play really clearly. U3 and PU can't go anywhere with the RSIP. These guys rotated absolutely correctly, IMO.

According to the PBUC manual, they rotated correctly.

Yeah, U2 was a little out of position...however, I couldn't scream loud enough at Joe Morgan at how stupid he is in his knowledge of umpiring.

[DG]

I am pretty sure there was an R2 also, in which case U2 has the tagup so if U1 goes out, PU should move up the line to 1B. U3 can't help because he may have a play at 3B.

I don't understand why U1 went out, on a liner to CF.

[jwwashburn]

He said that Barry Bonds was not helping theGiants because he was "clogging up the bases."

Barroid is leading the NL in On Base Pct...I suppose a faster guy that makes a LOT more outs would help the team more.

It is not just umpiring where he is ignorant.

Joe

[bobbybanaduck]

Originally Posted by DG

I am pretty sure there was an R2 also, in which case U2 has the tagup so if U1 goes out, PU should move up the line to 1B. U3 can't help because he may have a play at 3B.

I don't understand why U1 went out, on a liner to CF.

PU should NOT move up the line, as was covered in previous posts in the thread. with runners in scoring position he's staying put at the plate. and what's not to understand about U1 going out? F8 showed U1 his chest when he turned to go back on the ball sending U1 out on the play. pretty straightforward...

[briancurtin]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

It is not just umpiring where he is ignorant.

Joe

he also argues that Ryne Sandberg is not at all deserving of being in the hall of fame.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by DG

I am pretty sure there was an R2 also, in which case U2 has the tagup so if U1 goes out, PU should move up the line to 1B. U3 can't help because he may have a play at 3B.

I don't understand why U1 went out, on a liner to CF.

U2 is inside. So one of the wings HAS to go out. Either U1 or U3 will go out and U1 did. Straight up 4-man mechanics.

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

U2 is inside. So one of the wings HAS to go out. Either U1 or U3 will go out and U1 did. Straight up 4-man mechanics.

I'm unfamiliar with 4 man mechanics, but even I knew Morgan was an idiot.

Quick question. Lets say ball hit to right center. U3 goes out, U2 lines up retoutch PU rotates to third and U1 back into home?

Is that correct?

Thanks

[LMan]

From Phil Mushnick (New York Post):

Morgan's Off Base: July 7, 2006 -- WE'RE left to ponder whether Joe Morgan reflects ESPN's sensibilities or if it's the other way around.
While the nation's sports network now mostly exists to sell (sell, sell!) its personalities, what will appear next (and next week, and next month, and next year), and its brand-name products, must we tune to its national baseball telecasts in justifiable fear that they, at any second, will be wrecked?

Sunday's Mets-Yankees game was a case in point. Before the top of the second had ended, Morgan, yet another analyst whose expertise seems based in fractured guesswork (and in the hope that we won't know any better), was taking us down Baloney Boulevard.

The bottom of the first ended with a double play. The Yanks had first and second, one out, when Alex Rodriguez flied to deep center. Both runners (Derek Jeter at second and Jason Giambi at first) tagged up. But Giambi, trying to get back to first, fell and was called out.

The call, made from afar by the second-base ump, seemed a bad one. Giambi appeared to have beaten the tag. A close call, but the wrong one. That's all. Carry on.

But come the top of the second, Morgan began a spiel claiming the bad call was the result of "a bad rotation," i.e., the umpires rotated to the wrong base, starting with the first-base ump, who followed the play into the outfield.

Morgan even used a Telestrator.

And it was complete nonsense. Or were we to believe that at least two umps saw the fly ball, then, in unison and despite all previous training, headed in the wrong direction?

The umps were where they logically belonged in anticipation of a standard result: a play at second and/or third. A play at first, under such circumstances, would be unusual.

That a bad call was made from a bad angle because, according to Morgan's firm analysis, the umps were "out of position" and involved in "a bad rotation" was absurd. The call was the result of the umps being unable to reasonably anticipate that Giambi would fall between first and second.

That's all.

But on ESPN, a national audience got an earful of voodoo analysis - again.

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Teh CCA mecahnics have UIC take teh play back at frist if there's only an R1.

If there's R1, R2, then U2 has all plays at first and second, U3 has all plays at third, UIC has R1 tag up at first and any plays at home

Indeed, Bob. In the play at issue here, there were runners on first and second with one out. Morgan first said the PU should come up to first, then he said that the 2B umpire should have gone out.

Uh huh.

[SanDiegoSteve]

And all the umpires know that the 2nd base umpire does not cross the baseline, just as in 2-man mechanics.

[SAump]

Guess who helped co-write the book?

{Hint: initials are JM, but not CoachJM}

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by SAump

Guess who helped co-write the book?

{Hint: initials are JM, but not CoachJM}

Does Morgan's book say "by Dummies for Dummies?"