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2 Collision Questions
Straight MLB rules.
1) On a play at the bases (force or tag), the runner plows into the fielder much like as he does at home plate who either has the ball or is waiting for the throw. Do you have nothing here? 2) Play at the plate and the runner crashes into the catcher before ball gets to catcher. Would this constitute intentional interference with a thrown ball? |
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Actually, the answer to #1 is yes (I'm sure DG meant this). Yes you have nothing here. If the fielder is waiting for the throw, it is umpire judgment whether or not he was in the immediate act of fielding the ball. If anything, obstruction may be called if the umpire felt that the fielder was not entitled to be there blocking the runner's path.
In #2, the catcher can stand on the tracks when the train is coming in, but again, he is liable to be obstructing unless the throw is imminent. If he gets run over without the ball, the only thing he's gonna get is a headache, as he is not protected by any interference rule. |
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Here's another collision question. FED rules. I was working a showcase tournament at the University of Tennessee this weekend (teams like the East Cobb Astros and the like) and I had 3 calls at 2nd base that the coaches came out and spoke with me about.
The first one, R1. Batter hits a ball to second and the 2B goes for a double play. The runner on first doesn't slide going into 2nd base and collides with the shortstop interfering with his throw and he throws it wild. I call interference and an automatic double play. I know it's the PU's call, but I was on top of it and called it b/c I had yet to turn towards first to see if the batter was safe/out. The next day we had the same team I made the call on. Same situation and the kid barely bumps shortstop and doesn't slide or interfere with the throw. I got nothing and he goes ballistic saying I called his kid out for not sliding. Whatever coach. The next day. Kid slides in to second on a double play ball with hands up and unintentionally knocks the ball out of the shortstops hand. I was the BU and the PU called nothing. The coach goes nuts, gets confined to the dugout. Then tries to come out and coach third base again and makes a raucous and gets himself tossed (trying to pump his players up or something). What exactly is the ruling on these situations? I know they don't have to slide at second base, but interfering with the throw is an out all day correct? |
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In the second play, did you tell the coach that you didn't call his kid out for not sliding, you called him out for INT? In the third play, I don't have a clear picture of what happened, so I won't comment on the non-call, but if the coach went nuts, I would have gone straight to the ejection. You don't have to restrict a coach to a dugout. It is an option only, and I've never used the option in all the years it has been available. I feel that if a coach does something that merits restriction, it merits an ejection. Especially after him getting in your face three times. It sounds to me like he "struck out" with you. |
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IMathews- we're talking straight MLB rules that have no slide rule period.
So in your first 2 situations, there is no call. Apparently from the information in this thread, he can legally break up a DP this way. No INT call. In the third sit, if the player does anything like swat at the ball (ala A-Rod) or put his hands up, then yes, that's INT. Now, if there was a force play slide rule much like NFHS and NCAA, then the first 2 situations are definitely INT. Also, don't drop names of coaches like that on these forums - could get into some trouble that way. |
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As for the names of coaches, my apologies for that. I wasn't thinking when I was typing and immediatly after I hit 'submit' I knew I shouldn't have included his name. I just know he's a name many people and umpires are familiar with. I realize I shouldn't have included it. |
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He did say FED rules originally. lmathews19, if #1 had happened in a MLB game, it would not be interference, since there is no slide or avoid type rule in place. However, it probably is not going to happen very often, since the fielder will happily throw one right into the face of a non-sliding runner, teaching that runner to get down or run away. I've worked a showcase type tournament at Qualcomm Stadium before, and I don't remember anyone telling us to take it easy on the ejections, but usually in those things the coaches don't give the umps much trouble anyway, since it's an exhibition. |
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Players are never required to slide- ever. Hopefully this clears it up for you. Quote:
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Are there times when restriction is good? Of course, but restricting a coach for arguing a call is not one of them. |
Restriction vs. ejection is required for all but 6 infractions in my state for HS ball. Most apply to players, but some could apply to coaches. Ejection is a severe penalty to the school, coach and/or player and must be reported, restrictions we don't even report. Examples; a coach complaining about balls and strikes is restricted, and any further commentary he will be ejected. Player or coach disrespectfully addresses an umpire (ie "you suck"), ejection.
For summer ball, the gloves are off. There are no restrictions. |
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