Ok, most misunderstood rule by coaches?
 

About a week ago I had a thread about the most ignored rule in baseball (no fraternizing between opposing teams while on the field).

Well, after my game today, I thought it would be appropriate to start one on the most misunderstood rules by coaches. I had two of them today.

Situation 1 -1st and 2nd, groundball hits R1. Time, send batter runner to first and R2 back to second. What do you think the coach said?

Situation 2 - Runner on 1st, right hander throws over and throws it into dead ball territory. R1 to third. What do you think coach said?


I wish some leagues had a rules clinic for these guys so I didn't have to put up with their crap anymore. I felt like tossing them a rulebook and telling them to get back to me when they found the rule, meanwhile we'd play baseball.

Sorry for the rant.

TussAgee11,

In sitch #2 this coach wants to ask if, in your judgement, the F1 legally disengaged prior to throwing to 1B. Did he?

JM

Let's see. Defensive coach in situation #1 wanted to know why there was no double play called, or the offensive coach wanted you to know that it was not intentional, therefore it should be ignored.

Situation #2, if the F1 was off the rubber, it is a 2 base award. Still in contact with the rubber is a 1 base award.

Tuss - help us out and tell us which coach.

Yes, he stepped off the back. Why I gave 2 bases. He whined that it was a throw from the infield, so it should be one base.

1 -wanted R2 to third because he was magically forced by some sort of ghost runner I wasn't aware of, when I informed him that when Time was called, the runner was out and all runners have to return unless forced by the b/r now occupying first.

I believe the commentary went something like this.

"BACK TO SECOND!"
(I say nothing)
"WHY BACK TO SECOND!"
"Coach if you'd like to come out and talk feel free"
(walks out to me)
"WHY DOES HE GO BACK TO SECOND!"
"Because its the rule"
"HE WAS FORCED"
"All runners return to their base unless forced by the batter runner occupying first now"
"HE WAS FORCED! (walks away)"

Coach JM, why can't you coach all my games?

10.06 lives on huh...

In our LL the most misunderstood rule is the substitution rule - the part about how long a starter has to be out before re-entering.

I see lots of problems regarding a starter reentering anywhere in the order for the regular season. Everyone thinks its the same spot, this is only the case come tournament time.

TussAgee11,

I can assure you that's the LAST thing you would want. As pleasant and unassuming as I am on this board, I can be a real PRI*K in person. ;)

Anyway, I sensed you may have been a little frustrated with the coach in one of your recent games. I occasionally get that same feeling from the other side of the coin.

Sometimes, after one of those games, I go to the following link and read what's there. For some reason I can't explain, it makes me feel better. Maybe it'll work for you too.

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/2990/cb_rules.htm

JM

In leagues that use any flavor of a DH rule, coaches routinely butcher it by trying to alter the batting order when subbing for the DH.

Common myths and general ignorance of pitching regulations and balk rules is common at every level of the summer leagues I work, young teens through adult.

Finally, I really get frustrated when coaches don't know that "cash at the plate" means CASH, not a freakin' check.

Funny stuff. I feel like thats what goes on at Baseball games ALOT!

I can deal with arguement on judgement calls. Well maybe not arguement, but discussion. When coaches make up rules, its really tough to take.

Well, after my game today, I thought it would be appropriate to start one on the most misunderstood rules by coaches. I had two of them today.


Situation 1 -1st and 2nd, groundball hits R1. Time, send batter runner to first and R2 back to second. What do you think the coach said?

Need more info. If this were a game played by FED rules, the coach could have a valid point. In FED, the terminology "willfully and deliberately with obvious Intent" is not in their rules. Let's assume a "Tailor made DP" and the ball hits R1. In FED we could ring up 2 unlike OBR.

Situation 2 - Runner on 1st, right hander throws over and throws it into dead ball territory. R1 to third. What do you think coach said?

The coach if he is a good coach probably said "Hey Blue wasn't F1 on the rubber"

Therefore, before you "Rant" provide more info so that a quality answer can follow. With the lack of info you provided it's difficult.

Pete Booth

[QUOTE=Dave Hensley]In leagues that use any flavor of a DH rule, coaches routinely butcher it by trying to alter the batting order when subbing for the DH.

Dave, I haven't umpired LL in some time other than help out with All Stars. This year my summer assignor received the contract for some 50 BIG League Games.

IMO, LL Rule 7.14 the Sp Pinch Runner rule has not only given coaches fits but us FED umpires as well. In fact, during our summer meetings, we went over this rule "with a fine tooth comb" because this rule comes up every single game.

In my area, the local BIG League Programs originally used their local Umpires, however games were getting out of control and the over-all quality of umpiring was poor. In fact, BIG League was a non-factor in my area until last year. A new president was appointed and he decided to use our associations umpires. Last year we did about 20 games or so and this year we have 50 regular season games not counting play-offs.

Last year was our associations first year of umpiring BIG LEAGUE, and a game was held up some 20 minutes or so trying to get a clarification about rule 7.14.

Therefore, I would rank LL Rule 7.14 "right up there" as one of the most mis-understood rules ever written.

People talk about Fedlandia, but IMO LL has the most convuluted rules ever written in trying to get more kids playing time. Excluding BIG League in regular season the Batting Order is not "locked" into the same position because one can re-enter in ANY position in the order until you get to tournament time. We can go on and on.

Pete Booth

[QUOTE=PeteBooth]

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Originally Posted by Dave Hensley In leagues that use any flavor of a DH rule, coaches routinely butcher it by trying to alter the batting order when subbing for the DH.

What's to hard about 7.14?

A special pinch runner (SPR) can be used once per inning.

The SPR has to be a player who isn't in the current lineup.

You can only run for someone once per game.

How complicated is that?

"Ok, most misunderstood rule by coaches?"

RULES 1 through 10

Bob

Rich ...............
 

[QUOTE=Rich Ives]7.14 reads player who has not appeared in the batting order, not who isn't in the current lineup. There is a big difference, especially later in a game.




Doug

[QUOTE=Carbide Keyman]The rule was changed in 2005 - get a current book.


7.14 -- Once each inning, a team may utilize a player who is not in the batting order as a special pinch-runner for any offensive player. A player may only be removed for a pinch runner one time during a game. The player for whom the pinch-runner runs is not subject to removal from the lineup. If the pinch runner remains in the game as a substitute defensive or offensive player, that player may not be used again as a pinch-runner while in the batting order. However, if removed for another substitute that player or any player not in the lineup, is again eligible to be used as a pinch runner.

Most misunderstood rule(s) by coaches:

1. They think the hands are a part of the bat when a batter gets hit there thus making it in play or a foul ball depending on where it ends up.

2. They think the runner has the right to the "base path" when the fielder is in the process of fielding the ball.

3. They think a third to first pick-off is a balk.

4. They think runners have to slide at home plate no matter what, even if the catcher catches the ball 10 feet up the line and tags the kid coming around third out, they say he still has to slide and needs to be objected.

5. They think the players can't touch a player before he touches home plate when he hits a home run.

6. They think if the catcher catches the ball good, it's a strike...no matter if he is set up a foot outside.

Alright, I'm just complaining now so I'll stop.

Luke

I'm with them...I hate to be objectified.

I would like to know your rationale for this. It's impossible for this to happen. Many rules state that the players have to slide to avoid contact, but a mandatory slide rule at home plate is ridiculous if you ask me. And in this sitch, sliding halfway down the line 10-15 feet from the plate just to avoid getting ejected borders the line of a stupid rule.

He was making fun of your butchering of the English language. Last season I objected to a lot of players, but I only ejected two.

Ooh, I see it now. I meant "ejected" LMan. I should have known that any chance to smart-off on this board people get they take it. My fault LMan, "ejected"...I'll be sure to proof-read my next post that I write for your sake.

Yeah, I'm terrible that way....ya gotta both give it and take it around here. ;)

How Rude ! ...............................
 

First, thank you for the correction. Second, I'm glad I was able to make you feel so superior with your little editorial comment. You must feel 10 feet tall now !

Doug

And I'm so happy that you were smug enough to post an outdated rule to show me I was wrong.

There are rules changes every year. You really need to keep up with them.

And I'm so happy that you get to continue to prove what a pompous *** you are. I'm glad you are never, ever wrong.


Doug

He may be pompous, but at least he doesn't objectify!




;)

We all have our own faults, some worse than others. I'm glad you called me on it, LMan.:)



Doug

Careful, you might get objected from this board.

If I don't know the answer I don't reply. Simple method.