J/R sez:

"a tag occurs when the ball is live and a fielder has the ball in his hand or glove (or both) and

b) a runner is touched by any part of the glove/ball, hand/ball, or glove/hand/ball combination."


Make of that what you will.

Glove hand ball combinatinon refers to when the ball is in the hand and the hand is in the glove (the way tags should be made, especially by cathers, they are taught to make tags like this to ensure they ball doesn't get jarred lose).

Not when the ball is touching the outside of the glove. Again, go back to the definition of a tag outlined in all rulebooks.

Not a tag, by definition, and therefore
 

I just about hate it when I agree with WWTB. I agree with him today.

This ain't a tag- see the definition in 2.00, FED 8-4-2h. It's a steep, slippery slope to start finding tags where they don't exist.

One I saw (wasn't working the game) once: R2 in a rundown. Eventually, the ball gets to F5, whose cap comes off somehow and winds up between R2 and F5's glove, in which he securely holds the ball. No tag.

(I hate losing outs!)

Strikes and outs!

I posted the same think over on the softball board.

Technically, the runner is probably safe, but I think this call probably falls under the "if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck.." category.

I'm trying to think of a time I have seen this and the only one I can come up with is 2B tagging a runner then throwing to first for the DP.

Dispute him, why would I dispute him? I totally agree with everything he said.
Sorry Nick, I know this puts you in a terrible spot.

RE: the strike issue
he said it the way it is, I'm in total agreement as to why such 'strikes' are called 'balls' I simply disagree with the reasoning.

Re: the legal tag

I'm in total agreement with nick
I stated very early in this thread, knowing it was not a textbook tag, that as long as there was no separation between ball and glove I had an out because I knew I could sell it and it was expected.

I admit, I'm a ho'
I'll take the strike or out when it is expected and I'll take the strike or out when it's textbook.

Actually, I also disagree with why we sometimes don't call a strike, that is a strike. But I do it because it is part of my job description, and, it makes my games go sooooooooo much smoother. "So, giv'em what they want, even if it kills them." As the tobacco industry would say.