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justanotherump Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:37am

Lets get out of fantasy land here. The guys who worked as replacements didn't work to keep the "games going" anymore than the amlu was worried about the integrity of the game. One thing I've learned from this whole debacle, is that umpires are a bunch of whores and egomaniacs. They'll undercut anybody to work and prove who has the bigger sac.

Can we move on? The scabs are mostly guys who couldn't cut it, and the amlu got their asses handed to them. They look like sissies.

THE END

SCUMP Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:45am

Roxanne.....you Dont Have To Put On The Red Light......

Those Days Are Over You Dont Have To Sell Your Body To The Night...

Signed.....big Sac Ump

ctblu40 Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:47am

You personally did not ask for their support in negotiating game fees ect. I agree. But, consider the number of amatures asking them "Speak at our banquet. Speak at our clinic. Can you get me game tix?" All of which they (at least the small number I personall know) do without asking anything in return. Ask yourself if you have ever benifited from one of these guys.

I have personally been helped immensely to improve my umpiring by some current and former members of the AMLU. That's why I choose to support them.
I want to make clear that I am not nor have I ever been a professional umpire. I know quite a few and consider them friends. That's why their situation upsets me.

ctblu40 Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:56am

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Originally Posted by SCUMP
Sounds Like You Are Mad Because The Rest Of The Umpire World Didnt See Eye To Eye With The Amlu.....

You fail to realize that this issue goes beyond umpiring. Using your logic, it's "Hooray for me! what's in it for me? Pi$$ on everyone else as long as I get mine." You've got the perfect 21st centuray attitude!

JRutledge Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:04pm

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Originally Posted by ctblu40
You personally did not ask for their support in negotiating game fees ect. I agree. But, consider the number of amatures asking them "Speak at our banquet. Speak at our clinic. Can you get me game tix?" All of which they (at least the small number I personall know) do without asking anything in return. Ask yourself if you have ever benifited from one of these guys.

I have personally been helped immensely to improve my umpiring by some current and former members of the AMLU. That's why I choose to support them.
I want to make clear that I am not nor have I ever been a professional umpire. I know quite a few and consider them friends. That's why their situation upsets me.

This is an excellent point.

I also find it funny that many here that claim to think the union guys were stupid and not thinking of the bigger picture, were some of the first to get claim they turned down assignments to replace the AMLU guys. So if you feel the AMLU was so wrong, why would someone not work if asked? Practice what you preach if you ask me.

Peace

SCUMP Tue Jun 13, 2006 01:57pm

blue lawyer.....for the entire time the amlu was on strike.....people that worked were threaten, harrassed called names etc.....

tried to say the integrity of the game was a stake.....i am just really enjoying giving back a little taste of the medicine.....

when it is your turn to drink it doesn't taste so good......

so drink up!!!!!!

signed.....big sac, umpire whore..........egomaniac!!!!!!

SCUMP Tue Jun 13, 2006 02:01pm

j rutledge....i did work.....i am a former minor league umpire.....evans trained

4 years minor league experience.......retired......for family reasons........

so i am practicing just what i preach.......

if you dont like the pay, or the people that pay you, it is easy......find

another job!!!!!!!!

BlueLawyer Tue Jun 13, 2006 02:21pm

.........
 
All in favor of teaching SCUMP basic rules of grammar, syntax and usage, say "aye." SC, the content of your posts suffers dramatically because You Overuse Ellipses (..........) And You Type Everything In Title Case.

The content isn't generally very good, either, but whatever point you're attempting to make is obscured by this rather annoying typing style.

Strikes and outs!

SCUMP Tue Jun 13, 2006 02:30pm

Hey Lawyer............................................ .................................................. .................................................. .i Am Glad It Annoyes You.....................................all In Favor Of Annoying You Say Aye...........................although When I Read Your Post I Feel Like I Am Reading Straight From Ann Landers Or Mr Rogers............................................ ..............can We Say Boring!!!!

ctblu40 Tue Jun 13, 2006 03:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCUMP
j rutledge....i did work.....i am a former minor league umpire.....evans trained

4 years minor league experience.......retired......for family reasons........

so i am practicing just what i preach.......

if you dont like the pay, or the people that pay you, it is easy......find

another job!!!!!!!!

"If" the above statement is true, I would expect someone as well versed in the life of a Minor League umpire as SCabUMP would understand where the current AMLU guys are coming from with their requests.
Is it possible that SCabUMP worked these games to attempt to bathe in the waters of his youth?
Has he no friends left in the Minor League system? Well... I guess he doesn't anymore:(

SCUMP Tue Jun 13, 2006 03:08pm

Pwl....that Was Original If Nothing Else.........(for U Lawyer)...

Momma Said She Knows You.......(tiny Body Parts And All).......lil Dicky

nickrego Tue Jun 13, 2006 03:19pm

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Originally Posted by WhatWuzThatBlue
Nick, please be careful generalizing about the replacement umpires. Some of them were former MiLB hires and many had pro school under their belts. Still others worked full time college schedules and brought many years of experience to the park. While we had a few tragic examples of officiating by some replacements, those stories always make the news. The fact that the spin machine was in full gear only exacerbated the issue. Hundreds of games went on, counted and had no more issues than any other night.

The umpires used in my area came from the local HS / College Associations. I work with these guys on a daily basis. They are no where near the skill level, or ability level, as the AMLU umpires that normally work here. Just for the record, neither am I. But then, I didn't cross. I supported my brother umpires.

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Originally Posted by WhatWuzThatBlue
Your analogy of a sinking ship is not spot on either. MiLB was in fine shape and didn't founder when the replacements walked through the gates. These guys may not be heroes to the AMLU membership, but they are to the people who count on the income they earn from the MiLB program in their town. Without the replacements, the season would have been scrubbed and careers may have ended.

Yeah, your right. Bilge Boys are part of the ship's crew. Not back-stabbing, union member, strike line crossing, so called brother umpires.

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Originally Posted by WhatWuzThatBlue
Please don't fall for the line that the amateurs out there were an embarassment. It took a lot of guts to do what they did. Some were threatened, blackballed and harassed in person and online. They still went out there and made the calls - some of the toughest ones that they'll ever see. They didn't do it with dreams of a professional contract either. That fallacy was perpetuated by Jiggy and a couple others. The replacements went out there to maintain America's greatest game.

No, they went out there for the utmost of selfish reasons. Don't try and glorify what they did. It is no different than Truck Drivers going out on strike, and having 'replacements' break their strike. Baseball is an industry first, a national pastime second.

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Originally Posted by WhatWuzThatBlue
I've been to enough small ball parks in our country and have witnessed a pretty cool phenomena. In rural America (where many small clubs are), the family goes to the park as a special treat. When you see the face of a seven year old kid as he gets to sit fifty feet from the game, it is something special. They sit there with their mitts and hot dogs, praying that a foul ball comes their way. A lot of memories get made at those small town ball parks.

As it is with my family...As it should be.

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Originally Posted by WhatWuzThatBlue
Sure, I'm making this sentimental but I think that's only fair when you consider that one group wanted to take those memories away.

See, now you went too far. Your suggesting that the AMLU was out to wreak havoc with the American families, and destroy their future memories of baseball. I'm done with you. Get off the stand.

SCUMP Tue Jun 13, 2006 03:21pm

Speaking From Experience With The Pay, Travel, Etc.....blu4o

I Was Happy To Have The Opportunity, I Knew The Terms Of My Contract When I Went To Work.....

I Did Leave My Little White Sign In The Garage Though.....

As For My Friends In The Game.....they Are Still My Friends, They Respect My Decision To Work Just Like I Respected Their Decision Not To...

Life Is All About Choices.....i Sleep Well With Mine. If The Guys That Have Returned To Work Are Not Happy With Their New Labor Deal, Well I Dont Think The Good Folks At Milb Or Pbuc Will Try And Stop Them From Going Home.

Stop Crying About The Deal And Work Or Go Home.

I Did Enjoy My Bath.......grey Hair And All.....

SCUMP Tue Jun 13, 2006 03:30pm

Nicky Boy I See What The Unions Have Done Throughout This Country, In Most Cases Priced Themselves Right Out Of Work....

I Am Not Nor Will I Ever Be A Member Of Any Labor Union.

There Is Something Very Wrong When The Workers Of A Factory Or The Employees Of A Company Can Tell The Owners Of The Company What They Have To Do!!!!!

If You Don't Like The Way The "owners" Run Things Well Hit The Road.....

ctblu40 Tue Jun 13, 2006 03:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCUMP
As For My Friends In The Game.....they Are Still My Friends, They Respect My Decision To Work Just Like I Respected Their Decision Not To...

There it is... you truely are either naive or full of $hit. There is not 1 professional umpire out there who respects what you and hundreds of other unqualified SCABs did to undermine their collective bargaining efforts with PBUC and MiLB.

I'm glad that you sleep well, but IMO that speaks volumes to your integrity and morals.

BTW- I think you need a little history lesson on the formation of labor unions in the US. Perhaps you should read A Peoples History of The United States by Howard Zinn.

I've had it with you.


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