Batter runner bunts the ball down the 3rd baseline. The ball stops right next to the foul line but does not touch the foul line. However, part of the ball is over fair territory but is not physically touching fair ground. Is it a fair ball?
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On Astroturf, of course... really..
Fair of course, regardless what any technical defn may determine.
You're sitch can only really happen on glass-flat astroturf and a painted line with a razor sharp edge and a perfect round ball. But what you described, from the OVERHEAD camera, the ball is "touching" as in has broken the plane of the outer edge of the painted foul (fair) line... The hands are still part of the bat, after all. from the GLOBAL HDQTRS EWS |
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BUT: Richard Fetchiet, the rules interpreter for the NCAA, on 4/20/01 ruled that a ball as you describe is a FAIR BALL at their level. |
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Have tried to visualize this situtation, but really having problem. Is ball suspended? You say not touching foul line and not touching fair ground. Y'all playing with a ballon???:D glen |
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But wait.... Is the ball fair or foul? The plate umpire in the minor league game got down on all fours to examine the ball. No part of the ball was <b>touching</b> the chalk. But, because of the curvature of the ball, part of it was "breaking the plane" of the foul line. I just did an experiment in my kitchen, using a tile grout as the foul line. I calculate that upwards of a half-inch of the ball extended ACROSS into fair territory. (Remember, ALL of the foul line is fair.) I'm serching through my records to find out what the minor league umpire ruled. I still think it's a foul ball, but in a college game.... |
It's a round thingy
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Horizontal tangent is touching foul. Inside vertical tangent intersects chalk. I'm with Carl. I'd like to call foul because it is touching foul, and not touching fair. mick |
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Respectfull submitted of course, but you guys are whacky. I can visualize this easily.. you will have a ball that an entire set of stands will SEE as "touching" the painted foul (fair) line on the astroturf. Who cares a bleep if it is TOUCHING.. who the hell would know.
Call this FAIR and there is no (little) argument. Call this FOUL, and if the offended coach sees it like you do... your gonna get an earful (deservedly so). HEY, get that coach back in the coaches box... geez. [QUOTE]Originally posted by mick . I'm with Carl. I'd like to call foul because it is touching foul, and not touching fair. mick |
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Learn the game !!! ;-) Freix |
If the last 1/4" of a fly ball hits the foul pole and the ball glances off the foul pole to the foul side, it's a home run isn't? Other than the distance travelled, what's the difference here?
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I've always called this fair. It's been my belief that if any part of the ball is over fair territory it's fair. I've had balls settle this way and never had a gripe about the call. Have even gotten a good call from the guy it went against.
I'd be interested to see if CC comes up w/ anything that backs me up or if I've been wrong all these years. Bob |
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I'd have to go along withe the fair ball call. A fair ball is a ball that passes OVER fair territory when passing first or third base.
OK, it didn't pass first or third base but stopped short OVER fair ball territory. It doesn't have to touch fair ball territory. It doesn't say the whole ball has to be over the base on fair territory. If it breaks the plane, which this did, I've got it fair and in play. BTW if you want to see the umpire down on all fours examining the ball on the foul line, check out the Norman Rockwell collection. He painted it. G. |
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