Civility

[BigUmp56]

This thread is supposed to be about civility, yet here you are again acting like a child, PWL. Why don't you step back a moment, collect yourself and try to act like a man instead of a three year old. Do you not realize how much of a laughing stock you are to the members of this board? Please stop the name calling and grow up. I would like to get back to discussing officiating this game. There have been several thread put up today where you could have contributed something of value, but here you are disrupting the forum once again.



Tim.

[WhatWuzThatBlue]

If you have ever attended a professional school or clinic, you quickly learn that we don't sing "We are Family." There is barking and direct confrontation. Respect is earned and quickly lost - umpires should know two things: 1) You are only as good as your last call and 2) you should learn to grow thick skin.

This board treats issues fairly well. Some umpires have a problem staying on topic and dance when they offer an opinion that is proven false. The beauty of the internet is that one can remain anonymous, if one so chooses. Some umpires are not compelled to use a legal name, as it is of no import. They realize that they are not doing this for ego or personal gain. If you, as an umpire, stroll the field with the air of the elite, then I can understand why it is important to see legal names posted here. I suggest that you have your name stitched onto the back of your shirt or jacket too.

Civility is a double edged sword. If I agree with Tom then Dick may think I'm slighting him for disagreeing with his view. I'll never understand why umpires are afraid to state their opinions and live with the consequences. When you make a call on the field, you'd better be prepared for a challenge.

I've been called just about every name in the book - on the field and off. They are simple words and cause me little concern. I am well versed with the English language and usually can parry with the best of them. I have never written anything here that I wouldn't say to another's face. Often, the case is that the other member's ability to argue effectively is running on empty. Communication is a primary skill of umpiring. Learn how to listen and reply.

The biggest shortfall of this and any other internet discussion board is the inability of some to read. The message is lost when preconceived notions creep in. Like judging a play before it happens, it looks horrible and usually results in the umpire getting reprimanded.

This board is what it is...an opportunity to present an opinion. Umpires do this daily and deal with the ramifications. Nothing is worse than seeing how the other boards handle rule interps:
Ump1- ...so rule 14-3-8 states that it should always be called this way.
Ump2- I agree.
Ump3- Good call, blue.
Ump4- I once had this happen and I used 14-3-8 to make the call.
Ump5- Ump1 nailed it...how are you blue?
Ump6- Thanks for the nice words Ump5, it was easy.
Ump7- The first umpire got this right. Don't look any further.
Ump8- Ump2 onced posted this play. Ump1 is dead on.
Ump9- Hey, everybody, 14-3-8 is the answer.
Ump10- Thanks Ump9, welcome to the board.

Blah, blah, blah, kiss, kiss, kiss, yada, yada, yada...

A little confrontation does an ump's soul good. Hijacking posts is the tactic of those who need glory instead of anonymity. My arm is plenty long enough to pat myself on the back, I don't require adoration or kudos. I don't get them on the field and use a nom de net to remind myself that being an umpire is just a function of the game. If you believe the praise then you better be able to accept the boos.

[spots101]

SDS,

Just let it go man. PWL raggin' on you is the same as schoolyard teasing. The only reason the kids keep doing it is because that particular person gets mad. If he/she just walked away it would get boring and the teasing, namecalling, etc. would stop. Besides, what is Poot anyway....it's just a word. Besides, you're a fellow South Sider right?

Sticks and stones dude.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by spots101

Besides, what is Poot anyway....it's just a word.
Sticks and stones dude.

I do not claim to know the term's origin; I do know a comedian that uses the term quite often. I am thinking that is where the usage here came from.

Peace

[SAump]

The regular INMATES have already accounted for SIX premium spots in my batting lineUP. Asking for anyone with playing experience. Who would you put in the other three spots on this very LOUSY TEAM.

Leading off: JRUT, need someone like HIM at the top of the lineup.
Batting second: SAump, handles the SAC well
Batting third: PWL, doesn't have great power but a solid hitter
Cleanup: Windy, thinks he has all 5 tools

Battting fifth: Large OPENING within
Batting sixth: HELP wanted inside
Batting seventh: Aim to fill HIGHER vacancy

Batting eight SDS, sorely needed as the infield utility player
Batting ninth BIGump, Can't HIT worth a shOt, but he throws a mean riser.

[BigUmp56]

This is exactly the kind of nonsense I was talking about, SA. You have shown on numerous occasions that you know very little about this game except how to formulate unsubstantiated opinions that are near worthless. You are a rookie at best and a long time Smitty at worst, yet you continue to engage the more knowledgeable posters on this board in matters of which you have no understanding. Take the carelessly thrown bat issue for example. How many other officials told you that you were off base in your line of thinking? Way too many for you to keep arguing, yet on and on you went. At some point, a reasonable man would have thought to himself that he may need to re-think his position. However, as you're not a reasonable man, you no doubt cannot grasp this concept. As I have it right now, you're batting a big o-fer' on this forum.


Tim.

[Carbide Keyman]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

This is exactly the kind of nonsense I was talking about, SA. You have shown on numerous occasions that you know very little about this game except how to formulate unsubstantiated opinions that are near worthless. You are a rookie at best and a long time Smitty at worst, yet you continue to engage the more knowledgeable posters on this board in matters of which you have no understanding. Take the carelessly thrown bat issue for example. How many other officials told you that you were off base in your line of thinking? Way too many for you to keep arguing, yet on and on you went. At some point, a reasonable man would have thought to himself that he may need to re-think his position. However, as you're not a reasonable man, you no doubt cannot grasp this concept. As I have it right now, you're batting a big o-fer' on this forum.


Tim.

It is best to ignore those who choose to deal in specious nonsense.

They are like mimes, better not seen AND not heard !



Doug

[SAump]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

This is exactly the kind of nonsense I was talking about, SA. You have shown on numerous occasions that you know very little about this game except how to formulate unsubstantiated opinions that are near worthless. You are a rookie at best and a long time Smitty at worst, yet you continue to engage the more knowledgeable posters on this board in matters of which you have no understanding. Take the carelessly thrown bat issue for example. How many other officials told you that you were off base in your line of thinking? Way too many for you to keep arguing, yet on and on you went. At some point, a reasonable man would have thought to himself that he may need to re-think his position. However, as you're not a reasonable man, you no doubt cannot grasp this concept. As I have it right now, you're batting a big o-fer' on this forum.

Tim.

There you go pointing your big finger again, or should I say TAIL END Queen Bee. Your PARTY crosses the lines of civility and hound others for retaliation and insult. NOW you think you own the rulebook on civility and your little group of under-PRIVILEGE kids get to run this show. You have shown and some of the other umps on that same post how little you have to add to the discussion. That is a shining example of delete/edit thread opportunity as you can find on this board at the present time.

Why don't you swallow your own words and take it like a man and admit that you refused to call that thrown bat INTERFERENCE rule by the book? Then again why don't you post your FED 3-3-1 rule and explain how it must be interpreted in an OBR ballgame. Please explain how those LL sources I quoted to back up my "PERCEPTION" were wrong. "Who are they," you ask. You just don't get it. I showed you the bathroom door and its time you enter, close it, and do your business.

You insist on doing this in public, very civil.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by SAump

Please explain how those LL sources I quoted to back up my "PERCEPTION" were wrong. "Who are they," you ask. You just don't get it. I showed you the bathroom door and its time you enter, close it, and do your business.

You insist on doing this in public, very civil.

You never quoted a Little League source. You pulled some hair brain opinion off of the Internet from someone none of us had ever heard of before. What on Earth would lead you to believe that his opinion had more merit than the umpire training manual for all Little League umpires. In case you missed it the first time, here are the instructors comments found in the Rules Instruction Manual.


Seldom will an umpire have to utilize this rule. Most situations can be covered by rules and interpretations listed throughout the book. Umpires should not use Rule 9.01(c) as a substitute for knowledge of the rules or to further their individual agendas utilizing the word “safety”.

Situations such as throwing the bat and other potentially unsafe actions should be covered as follows: Warn the player and warn the other members of this player’s team. Further incidences will result in ejection.



Tim.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

This is exactly the kind of nonsense I was talking about, SA. You have shown on numerous occasions that you know very little about this game except how to formulate unsubstantiated opinions that are near worthless. You are a rookie at best and a long time Smitty at worst, yet you continue to engage the more knowledgeable posters on this board in matters of which you have no understanding.

Take the carelessly thrown bat issue for example. How many other officials told you that you were off base in your line of thinking? Way too many for you to keep arguing, yet on and on you went. At some point, a reasonable man would have thought to himself that he may need to re-think his position. However, as you're not a reasonable man, you no doubt cannot grasp this concept. As I have it right now, you're batting a big o-fer' on this forum.

Tim.

A carelessly thrown bat in OBR merits warning and an ejection.
My indifference results from the manner UMPIRES have granted OC responsibility to take care of the issue.
Mr Ortiz of Red Sox Fame was suspended 5 games for a carelessly thrown bat.
He could not be called OUT again because he had already been ruled OUT.
The league took PRO-ACTIVE punishment aside from the rules set in place.
I am aware of no such opportunity at lower levels of play.
I suppose a proper analogy would be:
1) The fox in charge of the henhouse.
2) The robber incharge of the LOCK BOX.
3) ...
I do NOT like it and it is an OPINION.
It is a well informed POLITICAL opinion you choose to ignore.
It is a well informed opinion that points out a weakness in the current rules.
Instead, you and your lost pups pretend the rule is greater than the game.
I have been attacked for forming an opinion defending the integrity of the game.
As I speak online today (2006), some local baseball leagues will have modified their own rules.
In softball and T-ball, many local leagues have already modified these rules.
You ignore the advice of professionl ballplayers and attack their character.
You ignore the reality only to besmirch my character.
You do all this on a thread named CIVILITY.
The yokes on YOU to correct it.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by SAump

A carelessly thrown bat in OBR merits warning and an ejection.

Yes, exactly. After a warning, the next offense by any team member results in an ejection.

My indifference results from the manner UMPIRES have granted OC responsibility to take care of the issue.

What umpires? Not real ones! Real umpires don't let the coaches run anything but their mouths, and those not for long. A good umpire will warn the player, his coach, and his team, that the next offender will be ejected. Period. End of discussion!

I do NOT like it and it is an OPINION.
It is a well informed POLITICAL opinion you choose to ignore.
It is a well informed opinion that points out a weakness in the current rules.
Instead, you and your lost pups pretend the rule is greater than the game.
I have been attacked for forming an opinion defending the integrity of the game.

You did not present this as an opinion, you presented it as a proper interpretation of the current rules, which it was not. Us "pups" know that the rule is the game, and without the rules, there would be no game. You have not been attacked for forming an opinion, you have been corrected for passing off your opinion as fact.