illegal sub?

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by Gre144
Jones reenters the game in the 3rd inning in the wrong batting order, therefore becoming an illegal sub under fed rules. In the 7th inning, he bats in the correct order and hits a homerun. The defensive coach finally realizes that Jones didn't bat in the correct order in the 3rd inning and calls for the enforcement of an illegal substitution right after Jones hits a homerun and before the next pitch.

1) Does Jones illegal status still exist thus nullifying the homerun, and causing an ejection and an out?

or

2) Does the homerun count because Jones is now batting in the proper order?

Greg

PArt of the problem with this scenario, Greg, is that it could be two different things. Did Jones reenter in the wrong spot in the third (illegal sub) and then bat out of order in the 7th, or reenter in the right spot in the third, but bat out of order.

Suppose Jones starts, but is replaced by Irwin in the first. The batting order is now A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I.

1) Jones reports reentering in the third for Abel (illegal sub), and bats in Abels spot. The (illegal) batting order is J,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I. In the 7th, with Irwin due up, Jones bats and hits a homer. This is both an illegal sub and a BOO situation. The illegal sub penalty applies. The homer is taken off the board, Jones is ejected, Abel must be replaced with a legal sub (or can reenter). Baker is due up next.

2) Jones reports reentering for Irwin, but bats when Abels spot is due up. The defense could ask for a BOO penalty here, but don't. In the 7th, Jones bats in his spot and hits a homerun. Nothing illegal here (in the 7th). Play on. This is the play Mick and Steve responded to.

You also asked:
[quote]Assume Abel, Baker and Carter in that order. Abel is due up to bat but illegal sub Jones replaces him. Jones hits a single and discovery is made immediately.

1) Who would be credited with the out, Jones or Abel?
2) Would the next batter be Abel or Baker? [/quote

1) Who cares. We're umpires, not statisticians or scorekeepers.

2) Baker would bat next.