Missing home after a HR.
 

Batter hits a HR out of play. He misses home. As soon as he misses home, the catcher appeals.

Is the appeal granted? Does he have to enter dead ball territory or is his baserunning obligations completed, therefore rendering him out upon appeal?

What rule set?

In FED he's called out on appeal while the ball is still dead.

In OBR the umpire must put a ball back into play for this to be a proper appeal.

See OBR 7.10 and 5.02


Tim.

We've done this before and if I didn't know any better I'd think you were put up to this one.

If you are indeed from Illinois, then you only need recall a Super Sectional game a few years ago. The batter hit a ball that cleared the fence in fair territory and his team came out to celebrate the home run. The plate umpire noticed that the batter had clearly missed the dish and so did the coaches and catcher of the defensive team. The batter was declared out and his run did not count as he had abandoned his attempt to advance to home in the correct manner.

The same play happened in a Colorado state championship game and was discussed here as well.

Some members feel that this is an expected call and we should ignore something that is of little consequence. Let's see if that box gets opened again.

No, I wasn't put up to anything. I had a game this evening and this happened. Also, the game ended 6-5 and the losing team was the one who had the run wiped off!

FED rules. My question is, can the defense appeal as soon as he misses the plate? If the missed base was first, second, or third, they have to wait to appeal unitl he completes his baserunning responsibilities. Do they have to wait until he enters dead ball territory to appeal at home?

Walk-off Home Run
 

They must wait for B/R to walk off the field. Otherwise they would be tipping their hat that the B/R can return and TOUCH the plate.:confused:

So, if the BR has not entered dead ball territory, and the defense appeals, the appeal isn't valid? Say the BR is ALMOST to the dugout and the defense appeals, then the BR comes back and touches the plate. Ruling?????

In FED you can make a dead ball verbal appeal at any time. The ball is dead when it went over the fence so they could dead ball verbal appeal any missed base as soon as it happened, as long as the runner is not trying to return to the base at the time.

In OBR the ball must be live to make an appeal.

FED rules say that appeals can be granted when the baserunning responsibilities are finsished on awarded bases. I interpret that to mean that if the BR missed second, an appeal wouldn't be granted until he reached home.

Need a baseball?
 

The appeal isn't valid until play resumes. DC should wait for B/R and his entourage to enter the dugout. Not even the DC should verbally appeal until then, unless he wants to see the B/R return and touch. Rulebook states that defense cannot get an out during the dead ball because of a HR. The missed base OUT occurs on a proper appeal ruling that takes place afterward.

Could you give a rules reference?


I would wait until the runner gets to the dugout. That is when I believe that he has ended his baserunning responsibilities. That is what I get from FED 8.2.6c

When the ball is dead a runner may not return to touch a missed base after he touches the next base. A dead ball verbal appeal can be made any time after the ball is dead.

I think if the runner misses home, and starts toward the dugout and seems as though he has no intention to retouch, i'll allow an appeal.

In a pro or college game, you'd have to get the ball to the pitcher and make it live again since there are no dead ball appeals at those levels.

If the runner has initiated a return, then the appeal is not recognized (if it was a live ball, the runner would need to be tagged).

See 8.2.2C, 8.2.2M

Yes, agreed.

My take on it
 

See rule 8, section 2, articles 1 and 5 and the lengthy penalty.
8-2-5 If a runner who misses any base ... desires ...he must do so ... . If the ball becomes dead and the runner is on or beyond ... , he cannnot return ... and is subject to being called out upon PROPER and successful appeal.

How did the ball die?

The hitter hit a HOMER. My experience is the ball is dead before the batter ever approaches 2B. UIC should award the batter 4 bases and NOT allow the DC to appeal during this DEAD ball event. If DC has a reason to appeal anything, he MUST wait until the ball is put back into PLAY.

Although FED rules allow a dead ball appeal, the OBR appeal during LIVE ball also takes as much space or more in the FED rule book. The defense must know how to correctly appeal the situation. Some of them boys may need that info when they get to college or go back to OBR play. UIC should make sure they put it to practice in this situation in a high school game too. If the hitter kills the play with a HR, then UIC should NOT allow the DC to make a dead ball verbal appeal. If UIC kills the play, and he didn't in this thread, then the DC may then make a verbal appeal directly to the UIC. But this didn't happen.

FED thing?
 

"Rulebook states that defense cannot get an out during the dead ball because of a HR."

"Could you give a rules reference?"
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OBR 7.05
Each runner including the batter runner may, without liability to be put out, advance_ (a) To home base, scoring a run, if a fair ball goes out of the playing field in flight and he touched all bases legally; or if a fair ball which, in the umpire's judgment, would have gone out of the playing field in flight, is deflected by the act of a fielder in throwing his glove, cap, or any article of his apparel;

FED Rule 8-3, Article 3 ... Each runner is awarded
a. four bases (home) if a fair ball goes over a fence in flight or hits a foul pole above the fence, or is prevented from going over by ...
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The batter who hit the HR must touch all bases legally.