Fact Vs. Fiction
 

NONE and I repeat NONE of the 2006 PBUC grads are working as Scabs!

There are a couple of guys who went to umpire school and washed out (literally did not attend enough classes to graduate and got certificates of "participation" instead) who have chosen to Scab.

WhatWuz again decided to spread misinformation regarding these facts, hope this clears things up.

Jiggy,

This individual cannot tell the truth about his own life and his own experience. Why would you believe him on anything he says about this issue?

Peace

Not taking sides here, but what is your basis for this assertion?

i sure will sleep better after knowing these two things have been cleared up...

I just checked with the weather service, and they said the temperature in hell was below zero for the first time, because I actually must take up for Windy in this case. At least he answers direct questions posed to him, without side-stepping them.:mad:

When you are an internet umpire, I would expect that things said here have meaning to have more meaning to you.

Peace

I apologize for not being an internet umpire like you Rut.http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/11/11_12_1.gif

Steve,

I use my real name, tell real stories that others that were present can verify and I am not asking a person that lives half way across the country a question about an issue that will never affect me. I think none of the above applies to you in any way shape or form. Now who is the internet umpire? Now you are taking up for a person that has obviously lied about resume, situations that involve me and other people and I am the internet umpire? Ask Windbag what conference he works then get back to me about who is evasive and truthful.

Peace

I didn't ask Windy about his conference. He has admitted that his best years are behind him now.

I did (and so did others) ask you a direct question, which you still have not answered. I really don't care that you haven't answered it, but I did call you out on it, and you did not answer the question. When you can't answer a question because you don't have an answer, just admit that you misspoke and be done with it.

I would have dropped this immediately had you just done this when the question was asked.

By the way, the question still is: What derogatory names (on the offensive level of the word 'scab') were leveled at the AMLU members by those with opposing points of view? You said there were examples of these insults, and we asked you to provide them. You have still not done that. Would you care to now? Please remember to only include examples which pre-date your original post.

Here we go again...Windy vs. Rut

Accusations of using fake names, name calling, etc...

That's exactly why I left the other umpire board. Can't you guys leave any of these instructional places alone? Get each other's e-mail address and flame in private please! PLEASE DONT RUIN THIS PLACE!

I have to take issue with you here, Steve.

JRutledge did not "misspeak", he intentionally said something that was blatantly untrue for the purpose of making people look bad. Please do not give him the benefit of the doubt, he has shown quite emphatically that he does not deserve it.

Joe

The question was part of another post I asked Mick to remove due to language/content, etc.

It was alleged that several 2006 Umpire School / PBUC graduates were working games. Jiggy answered to that point and I can validate his facts.

Go ahead and ask Mick to remove this then...

I know of several recent graduates of the professional schools that were asked to work as replacements. My facts came from two instructors at one school and some guys veryclosetoFitz. So, your source is ???

Blueump, Rut is responsible for his own actions; baiting him is my fault and I apologize for taking advantage of those who are challenged. Becuase he can't correctly conclude my identity, he needs to take swipes and cast aspersions. It's okay, the more he talks his nonsense, the more I and others laugh. His very words are often his undoing, yet he has no sense of self preservation. I, on the other hand, have maintained for almost five years that my identity is irrelevant. By remaining anonymous (to Rut, at least) I accept no laurels and look to remain impartial. My name appears in dozens of box scores and it would be very easy to toss it out there and make him eat humble pie. The minute I do, he will run to his nearest coach/partner/language coach to learn of a play I kicked in 1984. Then he'll tout it is a chinque in my armor. He'll let it snowball until I'm soon responsible for the ozone breach, Bill Buckner's missed grounder and Rut's lot in life. No thanks, there are no enough clues out there over the years. My guess is that he would make a bad cryptographer. So, blueump, put your feet up and relax...I'll let him have the last word here and he'll tell you how wrong I am. Rut will say he's a real man because he uses his legal name. The resume under his signature may be gone, but not his desire for recognition. (Remember the tag: "Vindication, baby!" when he finally became a Certified umpire in Illinois? Any clown can become Certfied in six years if he knows what he is doing. 'Nuff said.) SDS is correct, my best years are behind me and I am not working any Minor League games this season. At least some members can read.

You have the right to remain silent...
 

The more you speak, the more you make yourself out to be a fool. Especially as it pertains to name dropping (Fitz). You continue to make it clear you don't actually know anything about what is going on and have no real "connections" in the game.

Look who's talking about telling the truth
 

A more extreme example of the pot calling the kettle black would be hard to find.

Not only did I say something that is true, look at all the comments that have been made since. You have guys left and right ripping the AMLU and the umpires all over the place. According to you no one with an opposing view point said anything negative against the union or their members. You also said that no one used any inflammatory language which btw is a very "subjective" opinion what is inflammatory or not. Guys have been called dumb for "walking off their jobs" by those that have an opposing point of view to the union on this issue. I have not read any of your comments about how "inflammatory" those comments were. I guess you just will have to live in keep hoping that what you feel is true. If you keep saying it, maybe on day it will come true.

Peace

Where? Show me the post where someone called AMLU umpires "dumb." I have searched and searched, and can't find the posts to which you are referring. You're making stuff up again, Mr. Jeff. I have seen it pointed out that they walked off their jobs, but nobody called them "dumb."

And even if they had, what is "dumb" compared to a vile, nauseating word like "scab?" Scab is on the level of, say, "scumbag," or "snotrag." Using the word in every sentence like they have been doing:mad: just makes me ill. Can you show me the same hostility from the anti-strikers? Hell no, you can't. Once again you have skirted the issue with illogical and false statements (unless you can actually produce one these supposed "inflammatory" comments, that is).

CHIRP CHIRP

Are things heating up?
 

For your perusal:

By Baseball America Staff
April 20, 2006

• Double-A Arkansas shortstop Brandon Wood hit two homers, but was more focused on a foul-tip call in the ninth inning of the Travelers' 8-6 loss to Tulsa on Wednesday.

With a runner on second, Wood struck out to end the game on a pitch that he and Arkansas manager Ty Boykin argued was foul-tipped. Tulsa catcher Chris Ianetta dropped the ball, then tagged Wood and the game was over.

"Yeah, I foul-tipped it," Wood told the Arkansas Democrat Gazette.

Adding to that controversy was Wood's at-bat in the eighth, when Boykin--who was coaching third base--called for time to check if the white lettering on Tulsa reliever Josh Newman's glove was legal. The third-base umpire called time as Newman released the pitch, but the home-plate ump didn't acknowledge it.

The called strike was allowed to stand after the umpires conferred, even though the home plate umpire apparently told Wood otherwise.

"The thing that bothers me, which doesn't make any sense, the guy behind the plate tells Wood, 'That doesn't count.' Then he goes back up there and he goes, '0-1,' " Boykin told the paper.

"I'm not bashing anybody. If you make a mistake, you make a mistake and it's going to happen. But I just can't deal with calls that are made that there's no rational reason behind it."

Lost in all the debate was the performance of Tulsa first baseman Joe Koshansky, who went 4-for-4 with two homers and a pair of doubles. Koshansky, a sixth-round pick out of Virginia in 2004, is 8-for-17 (.470) in the series.

The two teams meet again tonight as the Drillers have a chance to sweep the five-game series.

• In other random replacement umpire complaints, the Colorado Springs Gazette ran a story today with some scathing comments from players:

"We're only two weeks in and you can see how frustrating it's getting already. The players' jobs are on the line, and we're dealing with some umpires who have trouble at this level."--Triple-A Tucson lefthander Randy Choate.

"We hold the players to a high standard. We have to hold the umpires to a high standard, too. Some of these calls they're missing are just obvious."--Triple-A Colorado Springs manager Tom Runnels.

"The integrity of the game is being compromised, all so minor league baseball can squeeze some nickels and dimes out of the umpires. Minor league baseball ought to be ashamed at the product they're putting on the field. If there are good-faith negotiations going on, I don't need to be commenting in the press because it wouldn't be productive. But I understand there are no negotiations, and that's not fair to us."--Tucson righthander Kevin Jarvis.

Did you parents not teach you "sticks and stones?"
 

I did not say that anyone used the specific word "dumb” as a word for word quote. Actually that is my interpretation of what many comments have been made by those that think the union is making a mistake. There is a thread that has called the union members “classless.” There are many comments about how the union members were not "smart" to sign the contract that just expired. There have been comments that union members should only work with a contract and expecting a contact is not very smart. There are even people that are suggesting that “The rest of us do not work with a contract, why should you?” There are also comments like, “They knew what they were getting themselves into when they decided to become a Minor League Umpire.” To me that adds up to, “You were too dumb to realize what the money was, you signed the contract anyway and you cannot get mad when others decide to work for the same money you were given and received for years.” If anything, that is very inflammatory when the people you are talking about have made great sacrifices to follow a dream.

Now, I never used the word inflammatory as a tit for tat type of debate. I used the term to illustrate that there are bigger issues than the use of one word. Now Joe used the term inflammatory to tell all of us how smart he is and that we should not debate this issue with words that offend him (but he still stays in the debate :rolleyes:). I think Joe was being overly dramatic to get upset over a term that is not only used here, but is used on the AMLU website and other literature dealing with any union dispute if you actually do some research. If you go back and read the statements, you would realize that. As usual you read into the statements and then make a mountain out of a molehill. The word "dumb" that I referenced is my interpretation of the comments just like JoJo's comments about the term being inflammatory. I do not live in PC California where everything is offensive where everything said will offend someone. I live in the Midwest where people are rough and are used to hard times and had to deal with living in some tough conditions. The term "scab" might get more laughs here than where you live. One of the reasons the state and area I live in are union hotbeds where a lot of people belong to unions in many professions. I have seen people get upset all the time over a simple comment about race and it is common in my official's associations for people to tell racial jokes that deal with people's heritage and by into a lot of stereotypes. I am also not talking about Black and white jokes either. If being called a scumbag gets your panties in a bunch, then do not include me in that discussion of those being offended. You would have to say a hell of a lot more to me and many others that I run with to be offended by that term or anything like it.

Now, if you do not want to have the discussion because someone uses a term that offends you, then leave the discussion. Just do not whine about it because things are going in a direction you do not like. Grow some sack man (I am sorry are you offended now?)

Peace

So that I have it straight, a team that is about to be swept in 5 is unhappy with the umpires. They are unhappy with everything probably.

And Colo Springs and Tucson, both of wich are at the bottom of their respective divisions and near the bottom in average attendance in the PCL are also not pleased with the umpiring.

See a trend?

I have lost count how many imes you have this sort of thing and how many times I have explained that I am not personally offended or upset by the word 'scab'.

I have explained over and over and over that many people will not listen to a speaker who uses words like that. I have explained repeatedly that a respectful and reasoned argument would have more effect.

Mr JRutledge, why do you continually say things that are not true?

Joe

I have lost count how many times you have said this sort of thing and how many times I have explained that I am not personally offended or upset by the word 'scab'.

I have explained over and over and over that many people will not listen to a speaker who uses words like that. I have explained repeatedly that a respectful and reasoned argument would have more effect.

Mr JRutledge, why do you continually say things that are not true?

Joe

I am relatively certain that continued use of the "N" word would offend Rutledge, as well it should, therefore nobody uses it in conversation, which these boards are in principle.

PWL, you are the example that I used, do to the offense you took by my innocent use of the word "retarded" to describe a bad baseball rule.

Rutledge, I am not offended by any of those words, however I can understand why some would be. I have plenty sack, Jack, so jump back.

Once again, you couldn't make it through an entire post without turning it personal against me. You still can't find any language which can compare with the word "scab" in any posts from the union opposition. Saying that the umpires would be smart to come back to work is not name calling.

Find one quote, just one, and Joe and I will gladly drop it like it's hot.

Foul Tip?
 

How do you drop a foul tip???? :D

Kyle

Here are a few quick questions:

1. Do you think the minor league players, managers, and fans would rather not be playing right now, out of respect for the umpires?

2. Do you think they would rather say "no, we will sit out along side the umpires until they get what they want!!!!" ?

3. Or would they rather do as they are doing now, playing and enjoying their games and putting up with less than ideal umpiring, and not giving a faretheewell about the AMLU?

(the correct answer is #3)

I love the fact that without this strike only a few simpletons would ever give creedence to what a player or coach says. Being questioned by them at any level - especially after a game - is sad.

I have read countless threads that tell of a coach who blasts or praises an umpire. Most of us learned long ago that both comments mean the same thing - little.

So far, all we keep seeing or arguments over the same things that they wrangled over before the strike. Strike zone consistency, foul balls and the like...wow, it'll be any day now that the cavalry comes in to save the day.

If you are not offended then why do you continually use the word "inflammatory" when someone uses the word "scab?"

If this is not at all true, you sure keep trying to prove to me that no one on the opposite side of the union has said anything "inflammatory."

Peace