Interesting Photo
 

Nuff' said.


http://www.amlu.org/modules/Gallery/.../acw.sized.jpg


Tim.

I'm having a problem with "Nuff Said". I am not getting the point here. Is it to illustrate that the MiLB umpires shirts don't match? Or that PU is carrying his mask in the wrong hand? Or that the attendance at minor league autograph sessions is remarkably poor?

Or is this a picture of you or someone you know?

It's probably referring to the forearm guards or that the shade of grey on the middle umpire's pants is off (which happens to a lot of crews as pants age). If that's "nuff said," Tim is really stretching, but then again, Tim belongs to a union and all unions blindly support other unions, no matter what.

I think the uniforms on this crew look better than some minor league crews' uniforms I've seen in the past.

The guy in the middle looks a little frail - I hope they don't bump into him!

I have considered wearing Forearm guards.

I work BR 13 - 18 YRO, HS, and Adult PTP. In those leagues, you get hit a lot. I am currently nursing some nerve damage to my left Forearm from a ball that hit me 3 weeks ago. But I would not expect to see an umpire wearing them at the MiLB or higher level, unless he had been directed to by a doctor to protect a previous injury. I may have to wear one to get my arm to heal.

I'm 47, if I'm still able to do this when I'm 60 or so, I think some of the hits I have taken as a younger man might break a bone when at that age. So I guess I would welcome them becoming more popular.

You should have seen how PISSED Tim McClelland was after getting hit by Jason Johnson's last warmup pitch in yesterday's Indians-Mariners game. It was hilarious.

since when is the left hand the WRONG hand? If this happened over night just let me know cause I am the one in the wrong then.

btw, I couldnt reply in the 'indicator' thread so I'll hijack this one a sec:


I just watched Chuck Meriweather call a Braves-Padres game with an indicator :D

what is the deal with which hand to carry your mask? fill me in? thanks.

secondly, i was at a AA Eastern League game in Reading, PA today. the replacements umps looked ridiculous. the plate ump was about 300# and his shirt looked like it was sprayed on it was so tight. his partners had significantly different color grey pants and both had HUGE windbreakers on that hung down so far as to cover the behind of the one ump. their posture was terrible as well and they looked extremely awkward moving around the field.
i s/w a phillies pitcher in the bullpen and he said that they have been doing a decent job, but that the stike zones have been much bigger than usual. no complaints from him.
that being said they seemed to call a decent game.

As seen in tonights Texas League AA game.

http://calebgroom.com/images/basebal...t-20060414.jpg

Hey! I think he had the plate Thursday night in Akron!

Not everybody can be skinny. Many people are pre-disposed to being overweight due to health problems such as diabetes and metabolism problems.

Big John McSherry was a damn good umpire, despite weighing nearly 400 pounds. There have been other huge umpires throughout history, and they have done a damn fine job.

I'm a big fellah, and I'll race you around the diamond any time. As long as the big tubbies can get around and don't just stand in one place turning circles, then you need to back away from the fat jokes.

I am concerned about the hat though. What kind of league uses this style of hat?

Another thing, aren't these leagues supplying the replacements with authentic League uniforms? And new gear? and new pants? Why are these umpires being forced onto the field looking shoddy? Mismatched pants, jackets hanging down past their butts. What's up with this? I have seen some of the pictures on the AMLU site, and most crews at least look the part. Then I see other pictures, like the one Tim posted, and this one. Where are the nice unis? Bad form.

Carrying your mask to the field in your right hand isn't a terrible thing in and of itself. You should try to make a habit of not handling your mask with your right hand during the game though. It's bad form to remove your mask with your right hand as there are so many signals we use with our right hand. The last thing you want to do is have your mask in your right hand and sell a banger. Eventually you might end up smacking someone with it or throwing it at them.



Tim.

I was taught from the beginning to stand in front of a mirror and practice pulling my mask off with my left hand, while not pulling the hat along with it.

That being stated, I know many umpires who used to be catchers, and they love to pull that mask off with their right hands. They also immediately transfer them into their left hands. I think it shouldn't much matter, unless you are out there trying to impress PBUC.

Uniforms
 

I've seen two Texas League games with two different crews. The first crew had adjustable hats. Some shirts with numbers, some without. Tonights crew had the hats as seen in the photo, except for the plate umpire who wore a fitted blank navy hat.

I can't wait until this mess is over. I look forward to being able to look up to the mechanics and style of the AA guys. I definitely have chosen a side on this issue but I'll refrain from discussing it here as it's not constructive.

If The Shoe Fits
 

It's pus filled, puss. You're gross. Welcome to my ignore list.

Hey Steve! We need to work a game together sometime! Do ya think that we might get the coaches attention @ the plate meeting while they are standing there feeling dwarfed? :D

We would certainly keep the field from flying away!

Just a question. Why would you tell someone they were on your ignore list. Wouldn't you just ignore them and not address them any further?


It seems that is a trend on this board. Ironically it usually involves 2 or more guys who are only talking to each other back and forth and telling each other that they are going to ignore the others. ???????????????

I would put PWL on my ignore list were it not for the comic relief I get from reading his posts.


Tim.

Ignore(nt) Comments
 

If your going to ignore someone, then I expect you to do it immediately. I don't expect you to trade barbs with the ignore(nt) one for a week, month, year.

I rather you trade barbs because I find some of these comments can be funny.

Photo Replay
 

After further review, I think that crew looks rather spiffy.

I can respect the UIC, he definitely has a shine on.

The guy on the end will probably work 1B after he stops gawking at the beautiful field condition.

Just another game for the guy in the middle who will probably work 3B. I can only guess that this isn't his first trip. He didn't bother to get a haircut for the photo OP at home plate or to impress the players. I bet he'll beat the other two back to the car after the game.

2nd Photo
 

KUDOS for taking the time to consider how well he looks in any uniform. I think he looks sharp because it appears that everything he is wearing is brand new. Perhaps, if he takes as much pride in his mechanics and calls as he does in his clothing, he will do an exceptional or outstanding job in just about every game. I bet the rest of his equipment is top of the line and brand new too. ;)

I would hate to take out a brand NEW black marker to cover that white N unless I knew my shoes fit. Perhaps after the game, I would have a better idea about fit and I would black N if I knew my new shoes FIT comfortably. :cool:

Gracious. Someone want to teach this guy how to buy a well-fitting uniform?

I'd like to know a little bit more about this pic? Did you actually take it? What ballpark, team, & date?

I got a rundown on most of the umps working TL & this guy sure isn't on my list.

Hey Tim!

Same question here! I'd like to know a little bit more about this pic? Did you actually take it? What ballpark, team, & date?

Thanks!

Scott:

This is a photo I found on the AMLU web-site. I have no idea who the members of the crew are, or what league they're working in. Sorry, Nick, but I think it's ridiculous for an umpire who feels he's good enough to work MiLB games to use forearm pads. If he's that much of a puss than he should stick to kiddy ball!


Tim.

Friday April 14, 2006. Midland Rockhounds vs. San Antonio Missions (Texas League AA). I took the picture.

Didn't Brue Foremming wear a wrist pad not too long ago?

I don't know if he did or not, Luke. I'll bet that if he did it was because of an injury that he didn't want to aggravate, not because he was being a wimp.


Tim.

Now your story is changing. First it was not okay to wear an arm pad, now it is okay if one is injured. I assume that you must have also looked up this guy's medical history to see if he does have any arm injuries to know that he actually is being a wimp.

The forearm pad thing obviously isn't a big deal as no one was sure what you were trying to point out was wrong with the photo. Also I do understand how it is acceptable to wear certain items only if one is protecting an injury. Either the item is acceptable for wear on the field or it is not. If the item is accpetable for the field then the individuial has the option of wearing it whenever he wants, not only if he is protecting an injury.

Are you serious about the "either it is acceptablet to wear an item or not" stance?

Have you never had someone be out of a work "dress code" due to doctors orders. The teacher next door to me wears sneakers at work because of foot problems and doctors orders. It doesn't mean that now everyone else gets to wear them.

Some things get to be exceptions to the rules due to medical condtions...

I don't think my story is changing at all, Luke. Had it been only one forearm pad I would have thought maybe it was for an injury. Seeing two made me feel like this guy is a puss. I've got an idea. Why don't we start calling pitches from behind a protective screen, or better yet, in full body armor like a goalie.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion. My opinion is that it looks like hell.


Tim.

Maybe he has the first 15 scripted plays listed on them ;)

I think if you look closely, you can see the word "Strike" on the right forearm pad. He must use it as a reminder. He probably points with his left hand for a ball.

The ITL. (Interstate Trucker's League). :D

Look closer
 

"I think if you look closely, you can see the word "Strike" on the right forearm pad."

Look underneath, you may find a scab with a previous arm injury.

All you guys oughta be on Letterman! Especially you LMan, that was funny!!!
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_11_6.gif

So it is okay to look like hell if one is protecting an existing injury but not if one is preventing a new injury?

Picking nits .........................
 

So, you umpire without benefit of mask, chest protector, cup, shin guards, and plate shoes ? Or are you a wuss and/or a puss ?;)

You guys are unbelievable sometimes !:rolleyes:



Doug

i dont think anyone is forcing them to go out and have pictures taken with their leg guards on their arms as well as their white hats.....THEY put themself in that spot

Wow, you should be proud of yourself.
 

Wow, you worked a Minor League game and did not beat out thousands of umpires that went through the normal process to get there. You only worked the games because the "qualified" umpires have decided not to work. I guess we all have our goals.

Peace

This beauty comes from the person who said he gets his assignments simply because he is available! Even his assigner told him to shut up about that one. Thanks, Jeff - keep reaching for the stars; those goals will be in reach some day. ROTFLMAO





I have purposely stayed away from the last three or four threads regarding replacement umpires. I noticed that the same guys still perpetuate the myth that the league will come crawling back because the replacements are horrendous. How many days have they been out now?

The funny part is you keep saying thing hoping they will one day become true. I guess fantasy is stranger than reality. The problem is that assignor you keep referring to still hires me and he is not the only person I work for. Oh well, life must great to worry about what I am doing.I do not recall that is what anyone said, but once again the fantasy is better than the reality.

Peace

Working MiLB ball has all to do with who you know not how good you are. In my case, I am both and that is why I get to travel around calling parks. I also would be remiss to say that I fly at my own expense (pilot with plane) which makes it an easy decision, considering my skill level, to hire me. Quality, quantity, inexpensive.

The deed is done. AMLU is screwed. :D

From J.Rutledge
The funny part is you keep saying thing hoping they will one day become true. I guess fantasy is stranger than reality. The problem is that assignor you keep referring to still hires me and he is not the only person I work for. Oh well, life must great to worry about what I am doing.

1) You wrote that you get your college assignments simply because you are available. FACT
2) You were told to shut up by your assigner. FACT

What exactly was not true about those statements? I never said that he was your only assignment director or that you don't get games from him. I'll let others judge whether that says more about him than you. You seem to be the one that twists the facts...again!


From J.Rutledge
I do not recall that is what anyone said, but once again the fantasy is better than the reality.

Once again you prove that you are new to the game. Others have read about this for four months now and know the players. You see my name and it's like Viagra. I don't know how to break this to you, but your kind doesn't appeal to me. Good luck with that fantasy thing...I wouldn't let any of your partners know about which way your gate swings though.


For those who are actually paying attention, I received an email from a former student of mine who is working as a replacement umpire. He said that it is much more difficult than he thought it would be and that he appreciates the effort that goes into the job. I think most of us recognized that this level of baseball requires commitment and desire. The guys that served it well have decided to abandon their dream for good. The shame of it is that they did deserve more and we all know it. But many employees feel that way and are in the same boat when they fail to report for work. I have watched the news and don't see the horror stories that the AMLU gang said would occur. A few bad calls made by guys that may not look like Marines...that sounds like any ball park in the world.

I couldn't believe that a few of you are mocking the uniforms these guys wear. They ACTUALLY PAY FOR THEM and may have never worked together before. We've had countless debates regarding acceptable shades of gray in slacks, logos on shirts, black/grey/blue ball bags, white on shoes, etc. The motley crews that are working these games are just that...working these games. They get no points for style, the league doesn't subsidize their equipment...hell, they get paid to get the calls right. So far, it looks like they are doing a pretty good job of it.

The photos placed on the web by nefarious union types are suspect at best. I imagine that I could take a camera to a ball park and get dozens of shots of their best crews looking like LL volunteers. I've been to Minor League fields when the umpires wore green hats for St. Patrick's Day and I've seen MLB boys in blue jeans (my generation calls them dungarees) and home team windbreakers. I suggest that while some of the photos are unflattering, we should consider the source of the pixel propaganda.

More games and no movement from the MiLB boys - seems like that last, best offer was just that. What a shame...

You would not know a fact if it hit your right in the face and called you by name. As usual you try to represent something as fact and you are out of the loop. I just do not have the energy to point out all the things you claimed to be true and were just the opposite.

Peace

Since when did he ever let the facts get in his way?

LMAO!!!

Gee, WWTB, you're really, really old!:)

Translation: I can't disprove it, so I'll use ad hominem and hope everyone will think I'm smarter.

This comment is pretty bush league.

AMLU:

I just read your profile. I guess undermining your fellow sports officials just so you can bypass having to go to school and being evaluated by professional umpires as to whether you really are quailfied to upmire at the minor league level doesn't mean a thing to you except being able to say that you umpired minor league baseball. You are a real class act.

MTD, Sr.

Jeff, energy and ability are not synonyms. You've used the wrong word here. It's ok - we all knew what you meant.

Yes, we sure did.

I love that line about not knowing the truth...he forgets that it was he who typed the infamous "I get my college games because I am available" line. Now, he denies it. (Funny, but yesterday he tried to argue that the assignor still gives him questions anyway!!!)

One of his assignors (imagine dealing with him exclusively!) replied on this very board that Jeff needed to put an end to his brain vomiting. He cautioned him to not play so fast and loose with the facts. Like someone already pointed out, that is the only way he knows how to play. For what it's worth Jeff, a 'fax' is not the same. (snicker, giggle, guffaw).

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Has anyone encountered a legitimate news story concerning the performance of the replacement umpires? I've only seen a few and all deal with the issue and have kind words about the new arbiters. A couple of local beat reporters (read: hoping that they get out of those one stoplight towns) are doing decent jobs of trying to catch all angles. Keep searching and let us know how those 'misfits' are ruining the game.

"Has anyone encountered a legitimate news story concerning the performance of the replacement umpires? I've only seen a few and all deal with the issue and have kind words about the new arbiters. A couple of local beat reporters (read: hoping that they get out of those one stoplight towns) are doing decent jobs of trying to catch all angles. Keep searching and let us know how those 'misfits' are ruining the game."

Problem is that the reporters simply don't have a clue. Look at Joe Morgan - makes $$$ spouting rules on TV & is wrong most of the time.

The answer to your questions is: Depends

1. The few games AA & A handled by decent D-I crews have gone, for the most part OK. The NCAA strike zone is different (Lower for the most part), which has required an adjustment for the players.

2. Otherwise, whenever the replacements have had to WORK it's been cluster $%^@.

- Strike zones stink (Read between the lines of the player/manager comments)

- Gross inability to control the game. Since when do you let a pitching coach come out to argue a balk from the bullpen? Base coaches leaving position to argue ball/strike or safe/out? Permit a manager to argue for 15 minutes? fail to recognize a brewing bean ball war?

- No need to make generalized comments about individual quality, crew mechanics, etc. It's to be expected that crews thrown together that normally work 2 umpire in a slower paced environment are working 3 umpire crews at the pro level. D-1 umpires one would expect to get the mechanics right, as they work the 3 umpire system all the time.

In reality the overall quality is deteriorating, as the better umpires refuse or turn back games (The glammer of working MiLB has been replaced by the realization that working 40+ hours at a regular job, handling 5-7 D-1 or MiLB assignments plus travel week over week is NOT fun). On weekends all good D-1 guys are and have been booked for months, so it's been left to locals (Mostly HS or perhaps JUCCO) umpires.

Whatever happens in the end (IMO AMLU will win some concessions & be back to work at some point this year) it's going to be an interesting journey.

Problem is that the reporters simply don't have a clue. Look at Joe Morgan - makes $$$ spouting rules on TV & is wrong most of the time.

The answer to your questions is: Depends

Please don't tell me that you consider Joe Morgan to be a 'reporter'. You'll have your baseball privileges taken away. ;)

1. The few games AA & A handled by decent D-I crews have gone, for the most part OK. The NCAA strike is different (Lower for the most part), which has required an adjustment for the players.

No it is not, I have been calling a D1 strike zone for more years than I can remember. The zone is the same and that half of a ball strike will be argued at every level. Many D1 players (at the better programs, not the last place contenders) are better than the A players out there.

2. Otherwise, whenever the replacements have had to WORK it's been cluster $%^@.

- Strike zones stink (Read between the lines of the player/manager comments)

C'mon - they ***** about this in the Show too. You'll have to do better than that. Strike zones are typically the most ridiculed part of any official's game.

- Gross inability to control the game. Since when do you let a pitching coach come out to argur a balk from the bullpen? Base coaches leaving position to argue ball/strike or safe/out? Permit a manager to argue for 15 minutes? fail to recognize a brewing bean ball war?

I don't see specifics here. I have read countless stories and fail to find mentions of the umpires looking as inept as you imply. By the way, umpires know what to look for when watching others work. This board is full of exmples of such criticism.

I think the world has seen enough bad calls by AMLU boys on the sports shows. I recall one making a Sports Incidents Special.

- No need to make generalized comments about individual quality, crew mechanics, etc. It's to be expected that crews thrown together that normally work 2 umpire in a slower paced environment are working 3 umpire crews at the pro level. D-1 umpires one would expect to get the mechanics right, as they work the 3 umpire system all the time.

Not all levels of MiLB feature 3 man systems. A student of mine has worked a couple of games with just one partner. They got the job done just fine.

In reality the overall quality is deteriorating, as the better umpires refuse or turn back games (The glammer of working MiLB has been replaced by the realization that working 40+ hours at a regular job, handling 5-7 D-1 or MiLB assignments plus travel week over week is NOT fun). On weekends all good D-1 guys are and have been booked for months, so it's been left to locals (Mostly HS or perhaps JUCCO) umpires.

That is the biggest generalization you've made. I know at least a dozen guys who take leave of their 9-5's during NCAA baseball season. Some travel as a crew and work the highest level games. They have no problem grabbing a night time MiLB contest for the extra cash. You see, in a three man system, one guy always has a day off the dish. Even with a double header that day, the final plate guy is fresh.

The quality of umpiring is not diminishing the game. Like I asked, where are the articles espousing all of the venom against the replacements? Even ESPN did a piece that showed the replacements looking great.

Whatever happens in the end (IMO AMLU will win some concessions & be back to work at some point this year) it's going to be an interesting journey.

Maybe you are right...I don't disagree that a little give and take may be in order. Many of us have said that they should have taken the little bit offered, signed for a year and hired a new negotiating team. Then they would be out there and showing us how talented they claim to be.

Check out my comment to Clint Lawson on the other thread started by a union sympathizer and member of his own local-Mark T. DeNucci). I said that PBUC has correctly asserted their right to replace the umpires who walked away from the game. The AMLU guys are being paid to learn a craft - seven years is hardly a career. I had injuries that lasted longer. There are no guarantees and if the union guys don't like it, they are free to purchase a ticket and hoot at the umpires all they want. Umpires have thick skin - well, most of us do.

It is time for Windbag to come out of the closet.
 

Windbag has lied about my background, his resume, events that have taken place in the area. He said I would never work a playoff game and I did. Not only did I work a playoff game I worked a level in the playoffs that is practically unheard of with the current HS ranking I hold. He said I would never work a D1 game and I have and I am expected to work more in the future. He said I would not work for “the other” organization in my area and I did last summer. Not only was I recruited to work a game I was asked to work some games this year (I was not available) with a fellow AOA board member. He said that everyone in one of my current organization hated me, and when I had a chance to work several games with many of the top umpires at a "bonding" tournament, I got along with everyone. Then was told by many of the top guys they would work with me anytime after seeing me actually work a game. Windbag said the coach from Carmel went nuts on me during a double header about 4 years ago, when actually it was my partner that screwed up by completely missing a play at second base while I was the PU. I have had Carmel since and I am going to work them again this year. The only coach I have ever had a problem with just got fired and it was not from that school (FVB guys know who I am talking about).

Now the clown of all clowns says that and assignor told me to “shut up,” and as usual does not give context or tells what I was told to “shut up” about. I have been approached many times about this site, but they are never negative about me or what I have to say. As a matter of fact nothing has changed in my schedule, opportunities or just respect in any negative way. So if I said something that was so bad and was told to “shut up,” why have things gotten better? (Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm)

I just find a lot of humor in someone that talks about the truth, but makes claims that cannot at all resemble a person that lives in this area. You cannot go to pro school, work a D1 schedule and work Minor League ball and not a single person in the Chicagoland are not know who you are. Maybe that is why he combines about 5 different people's resumes to hide the fact that he really is not anything he says he is.

Then again, Windbag you are a truthful person. How could any of us think otherwise?

Peace

A member asked how he could get a college schedule. Enough people remember you writing that you get your college games simply because you are available. I called you on it and another guy said that must make your assignor proud. You responded that working college baseball in the Chicago area is nothing special and that most games are given to those who can work a two o' clock start. FVB9 posted a message that told you to stop the idiocy. There is that the context you were referring to?

As for who I am, it matters not whether you run in the same circles I do. A few people know who I am and have even posted on these very boards. Most have guessed incorrectly and it made for some hilarious political intrigue. You even went so far as to call me by my first name a few times. Now, I've given more than enough info over the years and you still are like a bull in a china store. I have proven time and again that the facts make a difference. You can surmise, propose and generalize all you want. In the end, most members know that if I say the ball should be ruled fair and you say foul - they go with fair. Also, you should check back over the past few years and note that I never said my D1 games are in Illinois. I don't have a nine to five job and can umpire whenever I choose. Just because you didn't win life's lottery doesn't mean others haven't.

Keep stretching the truth...enough of us remember the line about being a strong, black man too. You did write that, didn't you? I don't remember Farrakhan and Jackson preaching that lying makes you strong. Oh well...lah me.

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/...604190376/1002

Roasted umps: The Huntsville Stars pointed at two plays that could have changed the outcome of the Biscuits' 6-1 win Tuesday.

One was an apparent blown call by an umpire.

A foul call on an apparent home run by Huntsville's Greg Sain had the Stars and Biscuits talking about the replacement umpires.

The regular minor-league umpires are on strike. While they're out, teams are using local amateur-level umpires.

"We know they're not professional guys and we tell our guys to try to remember that," Huntsville manager Don Money said. "We just have to play the game like it is."

Minor League Baseball has ordered its teams to not identify the replacement umpires. The regular umpires didn't work spring training games and have been on strike since the start of the season.

"I never thought I would say this, but I can't wait until we get the (regular) umpires back," Biscuits left fielder Michael Coleman said. "We still have to play ball."

Coleman said he hit a ball at Jacksonville that hit the foul pole and was called foul. Money described the umpires that worked Huntsville's season-opening series at Mississippi as "rough."

The Stars even had a play at home last week where second baseman Callix Crabbe wanted to dispute a safe call on a force play. Crabbe instead motioned for Money to come argue.

"I went out and the umpire told me that (Crabbe's) right foot wasn't on the bag," Money said. "I said, 'Well, that's because we teach them to take that throw with their left foot on it.'"

On Tuesday, Money demonstratively argued the foul call on Sain's ball. Sain struck out on the next pitch.

"Definitely fair," said Sain, who homered in the first two games of the series.

"The minor-league umpires are in the minor leagues because they're not good enough to be in the big leagues yet, just like the players," Sain said. "(The replacements) are trying, but they're not at this level.

"The calls they are making are making things difficult for both the position players and pitchers."

Had it been a home run, Huntsville would have trailed only 4-3. The argument was the first noticeable spat involving the replacement umpires at Riverwalk Stadium.

"It was fair. He missed it," Money said. "He told me it went to the left of the pole. I said, 'You're wrong, you're flat out wrong, you missed it.'"

http://www.dailybulletin.com/sports/ci_3721319

Throughout four-plus hours of baseball on a sleepy Monday afternoon, there were plenty of chances for both the 66ers and the Mavericks to gripe and groan about the replacement umpires in the Mavericks' 7-5 victory in 12 innings at Arrowhead Credit Union Park.

To this point, there hadn't been too many complaints about the replacements for the members of the Association of Minor League Umpires, who went on strike before the season to protest the lack of a wage and per diem increase, and the quality of hotels, among other things.

But on Education Day at the ballpark, which featured an 11 a.m. start time and more than 2,000 young students from local schools in the stands, the only lessons learned might have been how much an inconsistent strike zone can affect the game.

The best thing about the umpiring was that it seemed equally exasperating for both sides.

"I even talked to their manager over there about it and we both agreed that it wasn't the best we've ever seen,'' Sixers manager Gary Thurman said.

Thurman then paused and added, "If it wasn't the worst, I can't remember where I've seen that's been worse.''

The problem, in a nutshell, was this: pitches that looked like balls to both pitchers and batters were sometimes called strikes. Pitches that looked like surefire strikes were occasionally taken for balls.

And according to players and coaches - some of whom kept their harshest criticism off the record - this went beyond normal gripes about bad calls.

If the umpiring was indeed "pathetic,'' as one coach called it, then the best call all day might have been the concessions stands stocking up on extra cotton candy and Cracker Jack for the school kids.

"The pitchers didn't know where they were supposed to throw the ball and the hitters didn't know what they were supposed to swing at,'' Thurman said.

The Sixers (7-4), riding a six-game home winning streak, fell behind early when a pair of second-inning errors resulted in three runs for the Mavericks (6-5), who maintained a lead until the sixth inning.

The Sixers' Mike Wilson hit a two-run double in the sixth to give his team a 5-4 lead. Flame-thrower Stephen Kahn came on in relief in the eighth inning, inheriting runners on the corners, but threw a wild pitch that scored the Mavericks' Geraldo Valentin to tie the game at 5.

In the top of the 12th, Corona native Mike Stodolka hit a one-out single and Brian McFall followed two batters later with a two-run blast off of Mumba Rivera (1-1) that landed on top of the vacant Home Run Hill in left field.

As McFall circled the bases and his teammates celebrated, the public address system boomed out singer Tom Petty's "Even the Losers Get Lucky Sometimes.''

The Mavericks' Brandon Weeden (2-0) pitched all of the extra innings, giving up two hits to get the win.

Thurman called on six pitchers, leaving him with only two relievers - three at best, he said - when the Sixers begin a road trip tonight at Stockton.

The pitching situation might become even little stickier pending the results of an X-ray on the left hand of starter Julio Santiago, who was removed from the game in the fourth inning after he tried to field a ball with his pitching hand.

As for the umpires, whose names are not released to the teams or media, Thurman made it a point to say there have been "some doggone good'' replacements this season, just not Monday.

"I know I'm not supposed to say bad stuff about the umpires, but everybody knew. It's not something you can deny,'' Thurman said.

Some of the players, like Sixers leadoff hitter Josh Womack, said the varying strike zone put unnecessary pressure on the batters.

"It gives you something else to worry about while you're hitting,'' said Womack, who went 0-for-5 but said the umpiring hurt some of his teammates more than it hurt him. "Rather than feeling comfortable and the umpire doing his job to keep you safe up there ... you think, `Is he going to ring me up if I take this strike?' ''

Pitcher Eric O'Flaherty, who threw two scoreless innings in relief, was the most diplomatic of anyone when it came to speaking about the replacements.

"There have been some good ones,'' he said. "But basically, they struggled today.''

Thanks for posting an article. Very original.http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_4_137.gif

I don't get it. Two more runs and they still lose 6-3. And what was the other mistake?

there was a request for articles, so i posted a couple. sorry for the lack of originality.

Sorry, I didn't re-read the previous page. I thought you just decided to start posting articles. My bad.

apology graciously accepted. :D

Uh, oh...you mean there were complaints about the strike zone???

Someone call Eric Gregg and see if he can help. ;)

The complaints about inconsistent strike zone coverage are as old as the game. I can't believe that is the article you chose to post. Interviewing a skipper after a loss and he claims that he can't recall a worse strike zone...lah me!

The point of posting the articles was to satisfy YOUR request to show articles that aren't tight-lipped about the officiating.

Originally Posted by WhatWuzThatBlue
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Has anyone encountered a legitimate news story concerning the performance of the replacement umpires? I've only seen a few and all deal with the issue and have kind words about the new arbiters.

######## up fair/foul on a home run? THESE NEW minor League umpires are ready for MLB postseason!

Is it twice or three times in the past few years that they missed a fair/foul on a home run---IN A SIX MAN CREW!

This sky is not falling like the AMLU brass told the AMLU members that it would. When you are a union member, NEVER let the Union management decide whether there will be a strike. In most cases, the brass still get paid.

Joe

They say the camera add ten pounds. My question is how many cameras were on this guy?:eek:

A wonder bra would have been a good fit here. LIFT AND SEPERATE

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"I hope when I start running, my thighs don't rub together. If they do they might cause a spark. Then I could cut one and set my *** on fire".

That photo was posted days ago on the AMLU site and was even discussed here. Someone wanted to know if they were sporting commemorative hats for the season home openers. I'm curious how it was from last night when it is more than four days old?

For what it's worth, I acknowledge his conditioning isn't that of a twenty four year old. From what I remember those twenty four year old walked out. Do those extra pounds effect his eyesight and judgement? Just asking...

Hey Windy/WWTB: lighten up. You asked for "legitimate news stories" [or some such verbiage.]

THE POINT IS [and you can't imagine how sorry I am to say this]: MiLB management doesn't give a rat's rump what minor league players think - heck, the pay and working conditions of players in MiLB is ALMOST as bad as for the umps- the only way the AMLU "wins" this strike is if a whole bunch of other unions start adding to the pressure [electricians who won't turn on the lights, Teansters who won't drive the trucks - that sort of thing], or if the public statrts to play [no backsides in seats]. I think it was, well...you... that wrote: management would prefer to take what they are getting [in terms of officiating] than give the umpires what they want. [or some such verbiage]

Management apparently feels they can adequately evaluate "apprentice" players without the input from "apprentice" officials; and that paying customers won't care if the "product" is inferior due to the absence of adequate officials, probably because the customers won't recognise that there is a difference.

I support the AMLU, but I'm pretty sure they're toast.

As I took the photo I can speak for it. That photo was taken on Friday, April 14th in San Antonio, TX. I only posted that image here. It was not opening night. There were no special event being celebrated at the ballpark that night. The first and third base umpires wore identical hats. The home plate umpire wore a solid navy fitted cap without any logos.

Where else was this photo posted a discussed? I would like to read any discussion related to this image so that I can clear up any speculation. I was under the impression that you could not browse the AMLU forums unless you are a current minor league umpire.

I don't know about all that. You might have to stop the game for a few minutes while he catches his breath if he has to take a triple into third or if he has to go out on a trouble ball to right and bust back to the plate.

As for his eyesight and judgment, it looks likes his eyes light up every time he sees an all you can eat buffet. Then he uses poor judgement on when to stop. Pause. Read. Fill up two plates at the same time so as to not have to make unnecessary times back to the buffet table.

BTW-He probably buys his uniforms from Thornton Melon.:D

That is correct. Too bad it doesn't go both ways.:rolleyes:

Request
 

Please, let's give this a rest.
That man may be the nicest, most giving person in the world.
At a 188 #, my eyes light up at any "all you can eat buffet" and always have.

mick

I agree. While I am not as large as the man in the photo, I have never yet had a batter-runner, including Jacque Jones, ever beat me to third on a naked triple, or had any trouble busting back to the plate after going out. The minimal amount of running involved in umpiring, as compared with other sports, is a joke, and any ambulatory person should have no trouble getting to their plays.

Mick,

He can't be that nice or giving or he wouldn't in my estimation be out on that field. I have all the respect in the world for any person that is willing to stand up and fight for their rights and beliefs, no matter what the cost. That includes any union or non union person. Until these so called "replacements" are willing to work under the same conditions the AMLU guys were, then they are just fooling themselves and everyone into thinking they are performing a service. They need to work for the same low pay, drive all night to their next game, and live off a crappy per diem. Instead, they enjoy the luxuries of sleeping in their own bed and being home with their families at night. Probably making more per game as extra incentive. In my eyes it's not that they are out there umpiring, it's the fact that this probably the only picket line they are willing to cross.

I don't think they would be beating down the doors to be garbage men, truck drivers, welders. painters, carpenters, or walk the high steel. Not to mention working in the steel mills and coal mines. So why the get out there and feel the need to umpire a game for a few extra bucks and the ego rush it must provide for them. "Hey, look at me. I'm on a field with real professional ball players." That doesn't and wouldn't ever cut it for me. I have too much respect for anyone that gets up, goes to work everyday, and does a good job no matter how menial in nature it is considered to be.

BTW-That picture isn't SAump is it? Just kidding SA. Luv ya man. I enjoy your posts even if some don't.:)

On a side note. If that guy is a TASO official and was in my association, I would block him and any other official that did the same. About the only people he will be working with will be his own fellow scabs and the newbies that come in. He may never see a varsity field again if he has even seen one before.

PWL,
I find it really hard to believe that man is working minor league ball with that git-up.
Are you sure that's a legit picture ? Was a source given for the photo? I missed it if it was.
mick

Mick:

I think this post speaks to your question.

Tim.

And by what means would an umpire of your caliber accomplish this? I am quite certain, based on your lack of maturity and umpiring knowledge, that you have never been put in a position of authority in an umpire association.

Before you mods have a heart attack here, I am just referring to the many examples that he has provided here. I mean no personal attack, just wondering how he figures to block any umpires.

Yes, Tim.
It does. Thanks.

None the less, I am hoping we can let the weighty issues go away.
Discussing philosophies is fine.

mick

This is one of those rare times I understand why PWL has said some of the things he's said. I don't like it but I do understand some of it. This is an extremely passionate issue that in someway or another affects us all. That being the union -vs- non union issue that's at hand. In my opinion that's the real underlying theme here. It's not so much an amatuer -vs- professional umpire debate. Because of this, comments are bound to be cast around that serve only to inflame, rather than educate. Truthfully, I half expected to see much worse behavior here when young members of the AMLU began posting. Not because I expected them to be the ones providing the problem, but because it seems to be in our nature as officials to disagree pretty adamantly over the Net. We tend to argue like step childern with a sibling when challenged here on a rules interpretation. Throwing an intense political situation into the mix should make for some volatile discussion. All that being said, I agree with you, Mick. The mans girth, age, race, or religious affiliation should be left out of the conversation.


Tim.

And that is what I was doing discussing my philosophies. If SDS doesn't like it, so be it. I didn't use the word sturdy in my last post. Personally, I don't care if he looks like he could be on the cover of Muscle magazine and he replaced Gray Davis as governor of California. A scab is a scab is a scab.:rolleyes:

Well.....he does look like he never misses a meal
 

I was referring to 3appleshigh as "sturdy," based on the tale of the tape. The guy in the picture just looks "hungry!":)

He actually reminds me of a certain character in an Austin Powers movie. But since we are not calling any names, I will not type _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _. :D Anyone care to play "WHEEL OF FORTUNE":cool:

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I believe this is very much NOT a union vs. non-union issue. I believe there are any number of amateur guys and even ex-pro guys who have the feeling of "how dare they" regarding the fact that the AMLU has demanded better for themselves and asserted that they are worth it. I have personally heard from amateur umpires the feeling that "they don't appreciate what they already have" and "they knew what they were getting into." There are some ex-pro guys who are of the mind "why should they not have to go through what we went through?" I understand these feelings, but not the inability to think above this emotional level. This is the natural evolution of things, and better for the game and umpires overall. Why shouldn't they ask for better? Is there anyone saying they already have it good? These young men have worked hard and made great sacrifices to do what they are doing. They have a right to get what improvements they can get. Why fault them for that, or worse work against them?

This must be their logic.....
 

I don't think anybody expects to get hired for a job at the age of 25 and expects to retire at age 65 for the same wage 40 years later. Is there a certain trend toward communism in our country now?

I think you are wrong.

We just think they should have known what was going to happen. There is all this mean spirited talk of "scab" this, and "scab" that, and it gets old really fast. These games were going to get umpired one way or the other, and despite all the complaining by the coaches and players, they really wouldn't care if their grandma umpired the games, as long as they got to play. If this were not the case, the players, managers, coaches, vendors, announcers, and all team personnel would be on the line with the AMLU guys. But they aren't, which means they are actually siding with management, to even be putting up with the obviously inferior umpiring.

It isn't that we don't want the pro umps back. Of course we do. We all think that they are grossly underpaid. They deserve much more in the way of salary, benefits, per diem, insurance and everything else it takes to make a good living. But running around hollering "scab" at the replacements isn't going to help solve a damn thing. Management does not seem to be in any hurry to make a move to solve the problem, so we will all just have to wait and see how the whole thing plays out. In the meantime, we should resist the urge, as difficult as that is, to lash out at each other over this issue.

Mick,

I know that you believe that it's authentic. However, if there are additional questions about this in the future I have additional pictures that eliminate any doubt. I'd rather not post them as this picture says enough and I'm only trying to provide facts, not pile on a fellow umpire.

But...I have real issues with my guys (amatuer umpires) working these games. Every minor league umpire that I've met (8 or so) has cared deeply about umpiring and helping amatuer umpires become better. I'll save my soapbox for another day and another medium.

Call it how you see it...
 

I think you misunderstand the term Scab. The AMLU guys aren't using that term because they are surprised that guys are crossing to work, they expected that. They aren't even "lashing out" in anger. They (and others) use the term because it is the correct term. Is it mean to call a crackhead a crackhead? His name is pookie, but his title is crackhead because that is what he does. The same is true here. His name may be Yeast, but his title is Scab, because that is what he chooses to do.

There is someone holding a gun to your head to have this conversation? If it is getting old, get away from the conversation or deal with it.

Peace

He is dealing with it. Although, unlike you, he's dealing with it rationally and not talking in circles like you because you've been caught in another lie.

Tim.

You call repeating something over and over again with the expectation that something is going to change is rational? It is clear no one has stopped using the word "scab" and will not stop using the word "scab." If anything is has provoked more use of the word "scab."

I almost forgot the guy that creates a discussion board to support all his position is talking about rational behavior. I have to consider the source next time. :rolleyes:

Peace

All he's done is ask you to provide substance to your claim that the amature umpires were using derogatory terms to describe the AMLU members. Each time he's asked you've done your usual little dance to skirt the truth, which is you have no way of providing that substance. You either lied or misspoke. It's alright though, we're used to you being either dishonest or ill-informed.

As far as my discussion board goes you know nothing about my motives for creating the group or anything about the nearly 100 members who've joined and are posting there. There was a need to have a discussion board for all the newer or rookie umpires that were being turned away from this and other boards for asking what some felt were remedial questions. They come to my board and ask these questions without fear of receiving scorn from those who forget where they started.

I don't need anyone to support my positions, Jeff. I'm a big enough man to be swayed when I'm wrong, and debate when I feel I'm right. I've yet, in all the time I've been reading your posts seen you do the same, although you do screw up quite a bit and never admitt it.


Tim.

I guess I should have known you still required lessons in logic:

The term 'scab' is a pejorative and used to blight and defame. It is only approporiate to some who can't rationalize any activity contrary to their simple purpose. Your crackhead analogy is absurd; would you walk up to Rut and call him the n-word (this is one of the few topics that I actually agree with Rut)? It is an accepted term by narrow minded individuals to describe someone of color. How about 'spic', does that gem grace your daily vernacular? I think those answers are probably apparent to all who read here.

I think we've seen enough wit and wisdom from your fingertips to know where you stand. You have little compunction about disparaging others and painting broad pictures. Pretty soon you'll likely advocate a scarlet letter for all of those that have wronged the 220 AMLU boys. This matter has become ugly by their own doing. People like you corrupt the message without the knowledge or ability to expound logically.

Thanks for the civics lesson, but your methods are transparent.

I did not say there was anything said derogatory from my point of view. That was not my position at all. I do not see a discussion of opinions as derogatory. I did say that what he considered inflammatory is just as inflammatory on the other side. I said that if he feels that the term "scab" was inflammatory, I feel that other comments were inflammatory as well. There is nothing about a union dispute in an industry that I do not work or associate myself with as something inflammatory. There are bigger things in life for me personally than a word about replacement umpires. Now remember this “my” opinion and he was called on his position by more people than me on this very issue. This is not a court of law and I do not have to prove anything to you or anyone else. Now if that affects my credibility with you, so what. You work a level I have not worked in 9 years. You live in a state I do not live and you live in an area I will probably never go for a baseball game. We also likely will not ever work together. So my credibility with you and a bunch of internet umpires is the least of my concern. I umpire as a hobby; it is not life or death.

I also think it is silly to say the word "scab" is inflammatory when it is not only the term is in the dictionary for describing a person that crosses the picket line, but is the term used in many, many union disputes to describe people who replace in union workers during a strike. Now I guess you do not understand what an "opinion" is rather than a fact. If I feel George Bush is an idiot that is my opinion. I do not have to verify my opinion with an objective sources or examples to make others happy.

I cannot even believe you responded to my very sarcastic comment about your internet dealings. Most umpires I know never come to the internet to learn anything about umpiring. If they want to learn something they can attend camps or go to association meetings where they can verify the backgrounds of the people that are giving presentations and teaching concepts. Maybe there is a need where you are. Where I live the need is fulfilled by those that run our associations. This place for me is pure entertainment and to pass time between work and games.

It always cracks me up with people like you and many others that come to these internet sites. You obviously do not know what the definition of "debate" means. Debate is when people give opposing positions. Much of debate is based on a person's experiences and personal philosophies. I vote for a certain political party because of my feelings and experiences and I will debate with people about those positions. I am not going to change my “opinion” because someone brings up a certain point. If you do not stand for something you will fall for anything.

Tim, if you actually read my posts you will realize that almost all are about philosophies and experiences that I have had in officiating. Then based on those experiences I share my “opinion” as to what is the best thing to do in certain situations. I do not know about you, but if you go to a camp of any kind you might hear 5 different opinions on one subject and all the individuals giving their opinions. I have literally been to basketball camps and was told one thing while I am at one end of the court. Then I run to the other end and a different person says something completely different than the first person. Then I go back to the other end and someone says something completely different then the first two people and all were addressing the same issue. I went to a D1 camp last summer and the supervisor of the camp told us we will here different things from all of his clinicians including him. He told us to get over it and when we leave pick what we like and throw out what we do not like.

If you do not like what I have to say and you do not agree with me that I OK. I really do not care either way. The sun will rise whether you like what I say or not.

Peace

This photo was posted on UmpNews and the AMLU site. The doubt surrounding your integrity centers on the fact that you said the photo came from last night's game. The photo has been present in the same form on other sites prior. I'm not sure why further discussion is required.

For what it is worth, unless you were in the umpires' locker room or privy to the assignor's phone calls, I find it difficult how you would ascertain what uniform they would wear. I've seen photos of the replacement umpires wearing the navy blue, black and light blue uniforms so far. I guess, like many crew chiefs and ball park management, the decision is left to them. Their is no union or officially accepted uniform any longer. Compliance is not an issue - getting the call correct is. But then again, that is another topic.

Counselor (yes, you CB) - I am dealing with this in a most certain form of levity. I require no mood altering substance to maintain my sanity with these members. I appreciate the concern, but if you've looked back you'll find that I too had hoped for the union boys to be working these games. They chose not to and that is the crime. The game is bigger than any umpire. The replacements are getting a rare opportunity to work some good ball. The fans want to be entertained and let's face it, a controversial call is entertaining. The league recognizes the bottom line and they are saving money with the replacements. They pay no per diem, hotel expenses or benefits. They have little cause to attend future bargaining talks. Yes, I said these things long ago too.

Otherwise, I hope your games are going well. I found a new part of the hamstring that hadn't been hurt until recently. Most of us look like Evil Kneivel at the end of his career, this early in the Spring. Hope you're not getting out your stars and stripes suit yet. ;)

Okay, I'm not going to ask about the specific remarks toward AMLU members any longer.

I am now going to make it my mission to ask you just exactly what do you mean by the above statement, and exactly what does it have to do with anything?

I suppose it in some way makes you believe (falsely) that you are a better umpire than he is, but I'm not sure. Is that what you are implying?