Recent Game - 1st Ejection of the year
 

I had a Juco game yesterday and my first ejection of the year. Here is how it went.

In the top of the 2nd, the third out was made on a non-routine play at first base where the first baseman possibly had his foot off the base. My partner called the runner out and the entire dugout erupted. I warned the dugout and told them that they could not do that. At this point, assistant coach X attempted to explain to me that his players did nothing wrong. I warned him again and told him that it was not his job, nor his players’ job to argue with the umpires; it is his head coach’s job. Then assistant coach Y attempted to argue the point with me by stating, “The game is not about you!” I then warned him by replying, “And it is not about you or your players arguing with me either.”

In the top of the 3rd there was a check swing appeal that I asked my partner for help on that he called a strike. The dugout again protested and I warned them that they could not argue balls and strikes.

In the top of the 4th there was a close double play call at first base that went against the team making all the noise. The next batter grounded out on a routine play and was out by several steps. An unidentified member in the dugout yelled in a voice that was audible to the stands, “At least you ****ing got one right.” At this point my partner walked towards the dugout and asked who said that. No one responded and assistant coach Z proceeded to walk out of the dugout to argue that “In 30 years I have never seen!” I stopped him from speaking and warned Z that he could not leave the dugout to argue. I called acting head coach B out to talk; the head guy was not at the game he had a family thing. I told him that we have been fair, there wasn’t one call that we kept him from coming to talk to us about, but he needed to put a stop to his dugout. I explained to him that by rule he was the only person that could argue with us. He said that he understood and that he would take care of it. I thanked him and walked away.

As I turned my back to the dugout and started to walk away, assistant coach Z said, “You’re terrible.” I calmly turned to him, signaled the ejection mechanic and said, “Just go to the bus.” He stood up and said, “Are you talking to me?” I replied, “Yes Mr. 30 years, go to the bus.” Z then yelled while pointing at my partner, “Why are you protecting Mickey Mouse.” I replied, “Yes, he’s Mickey and I’m Minnie and you still have to go to the bus.” I wanted to say and you're Goofy, but I refrained. He then proceeded to tell me and my partner how bad we were and started to get repetitive so I told him he had to go and go now. He asked how much time he had left, and I told him he had “15 seconds.” He then waited for me to start counting, I did not and after a few moments of silence he left. He left mumbling some other insults as he walked to the bus.

My question is this? Are guys letting assistant coaches argue with them? One would think that after almost 8 full weeks of play that these guys would have figured out that their job is to sit there and shut up. Not talk to me and my partners. Get your own team if you want to argue calls.

Too much warning, not enough ejecting.

I would have dumped Assistant Coach Y when he said "this game is not about you." That would have taken care of that clown.

As soon as Assistant Coach Z popped out of the dugout with the "in 30 years" comment, I would just assume he was the one with the "at least you ****ing got one right" comment, and would have launched him into orbit. When he asked how much time he had left, I would have told him he had no time left, and to hit the bricks now.

Assistant coaches get a real short leash in my games.

I hate to say this, but YOU let assistant coaches argue with you.

"when someone in the dugout does that, pick a guy off the bench wearing a jacket and toss him. when he points to who actually said it, say 'take him with you'" - i thought that was a pretty funny line from a recent clinic i was at


this game got out of control. you had like 8 warnings in the first paragraph of the whole post, which i think is far too many for even 8 separate games. assistant coaches are there to direct traffic on a one way street, thats all they get to do. a lot of the talk back to coaches was unecessary, and the fact that you set a timer on when someone had to leave was unecessary as well. i think it could have been handled much more effectively by just cutting the assistant coach off once, and then dumping him. warn once, eject once. it seems like you had warn 15 times, eject, and then mouth off with him several times.

Should have talked to Head Coach once, from then on the assistants should start exiting. Then I would tell the head coach that not only would the next assistant coach go but he would go with him. As for the players, if you have to pick one and send him with them, preferably not the Star player.

I am happy to discuss any of my actions with you, but 15 warnings where no issued, there was one in the 2nd that I wrote up as 3, a team, an assistant, and an assistant. One in the 3rd, balls and strike, where they shut up. One in the fourth b/c I knew he was gonna go, and where I have been and where I work, ejections with warnings carry a lot more weight and make it easier for the guys in my group down the road when they get similar type ejections. As far as picking somebody out I have been there before, I had 27 ejections in the NY-Penn in 2000 that includes being the CC of the divisional and Championship series. But this isn't pro ball and it isn't rum dumb high school or adult where I can just dump people that I don't like and get away with not writing an ejection report or one that makes me look bad. If I ejected every coach that said word after I put a line in the sand, I would be a stupid umpire for putting a line in the sand. Were I work I have to handle the situation, and eject people for being obviously stupid not for daring to talk to me after I warn them.

It is called being approachable. You have heard of terms like firm, but fair and being a red-***. I have been a red-***, and know how to be one, but if I want to keep working my way up the Div I ladder, I can't be a red-***. They didn't get personal, and when he did he left. They didn't break a rule; technically the rule states that an assistant can't leave his position to argue, it doesn't say he can't argue from the dugout.

As far as the game being out of control, the game was fine; it was an acting head coach that didn't know how to control his dugout. I never lost my cool, and the game never slowed down. The first and second incident happened between innings and we went right back to work.

For those of you that do work PAC10, WAC, WCC, Big West, or any other Div 1 conference baseball, am I wrong in saying that the coordinators want us to be approachable and get clean ejections when we can?

Again, I will happily answer any questions you have and engage in any discussion you would like to on the topic of handling situations.

BTW, the coordinator, conference commissioner, and the conference president, all emailed me on the well written report, and the professionalism of handling the situation. Also, my partner was a current pro ball guy and he agreed that in pro ball we use to be able to just dump em, but now they want us to be kinder and gentler and approachable.

Hmmm,
 

I want to make one thing crystal clear:

NCAA Baseball is the last college sport that is run and controlled by the coaches.

They make the rules, they interpret the rules, and they run their games.

It is the main land of "get the call right" umpiring philosophies and Durham is 100% correct when he talks of the "approachability factor."

HOWEVER, in the Pac-10 (which is really the PAC-9 since the University of Oregon does not field a D-1 team) umpires are told "assistant coaches do not exist."

They still are there to tell batter runners: "Take two!" and take their batting gloves or shin guard after a safe hit.

Like Tee said, in my area assistants just wouldn't "exist" in this way. I moved to my current location 4 years ago and I've had 2 college ejections (we only have JuCo and D3 around here, which is OK with me) -- both visiting coaches at the local JuCo. The rest of the college games I've worked, I've had zero. Most college coaches know the protocol, but I've found that isn't always the case at the JuCo level.

The only person that knows if you took too much is you. I'd never make judgments on another umpire ejecting or not ejecting -- I've had seasons with a lot and seasons with two (last season, actually). But I read from your post that you had a lot of interaction with assistants and that surprised me, especially after finding out you had pro experience.

What good is a warning if you're not going to follow through on it? ONE warning for this nonsense is good enough (and possibly more than they deserve considering you're talking about an ASSistant coach) - the next ANYTHING from an assistant is a ticket to the bus. Like it was said earlier, YOU let them argue with you.

Rich,

Truth be told, if I can out think them and shut them down with out having to write a report, then I would rather go that way, but If I must, then I won't let writing a report stop me from getting them.

Which is easier on you, ****-house with a report, or a snappy one-liner where his team laughs at him and he gets the point, and you get to go home and be with your family or go to Hooters and hang out with the guys. Like I said, if he is that stupid, he will say something again before the game is over and in the report I get to say that I warned him.

BTW, my wife had our first on 3/16 so I got to go home and play with the lil one, put them both to bed, and then go to Hooters and hang out with the guys, and then send the report in this morning.

The purpose of a warning is to be able to write down in the report that you warned them, and really nothing else. The way the game use to be, you could just eject them and forget about the warning. I warned him, then had a clever exchange, warned the other guy and had one with him too, and had more ammo in my report than it seems you would in yours. Warnings = stacking the deck in your favor as an umpire, and nothing more.

If that's the way your conference wants it done - no problem. After finding out that we had a substitute head coach in the dugout I MAY have had a quick word with him before the game, depending on how he approached things at the plate conference.

Other than that I see no problem with how the game was handled, as NCAA/JUCCO warn/eject policies are simply different than HS or Pro ball.

In Southern Calif we tend to have very short leashes in JUCCO, D1/D3 are similar to what you have described.

Hey, no problem. Do whatever the heck you want. But don't ask for input and then argue with it all.

It does, however, remind me of the Dad who tells his kids, "Stop it or your grounded." And then when they do it again, "Really... stop it or your grounded." And again, "Boys, I'm serious." And again...

If "That's enough, coach" doesn't mean that that's enough, then what's the point unless your focus is simply on making yourself look good or have extra ammo, as you put it. Ammo for what? An unloaded gun, it appears.

My question is this? Are guys letting assistant coaches argue with them?

IMO, the posters did answer your question, yet you felt the need to Defend your actions. If that's the case then why post to begin with.

In reading the responses, IMO the posters had no problem with your "warnings" if you were talking to the HEAD Coach. The problem which I agree with is why engage with assistant coaches.

Whether you umpire "kiddie ball" all the way up to the PROS, the assistant coaches are not afforded the same "luxory" so to speak as the head coach.

Personally I do not even pay attention to an assistant coach. I do not give them the "time of day" as that is not Their role in the game of baseball otherwise they would be head coaches.

If D1 College officials treat assistants as TEE mentioned "they do not exist", then it stands to reason Juco would follow the same rule.

If you do want to aspire to the D1 level, and a D1 official was watching this particular game, chances are his first question to you would be:

Why are you engaging with an assistant coach which IMO was the main theme of your thread.

Pete Booth

Far worse than HS
 

I expect to hear it from 1 side or another on any close play. Its part of the game and half the fun. Let it go and keep your mind on the game and keep the game running. You don't want to draw attention to anything that may bother you or SLOW down the game. You're in charge, but you can't put a fence between the field and the OPEN dugout. Don't stop to discuss it or ask about anything because it only increases the CATCALLS.

Why should teams or fans be kept from suppporting their teammates when things turn sour. Lozers are never happy people. I would like to know what your wrote in that report. "He argued with my partner's judgment call" just doesn't cut my mustard for an ejection. College kids are peanuts, but I can't believe you ejected the HEAD guy if you plan to go back there any time soon. Now I know my comments aren't welcomed by some members of the peanut gallery. But I am sure I have read better advise on this website that supports my position. You have to show thick skin and only eject for C's and P's. I can only guess that WE call that approachable, now.

Why post? That is like asking why log on? And, if I don't agree with you I am not suppose to respond for fear of what it might look like to you?

So you guys eject every assistant coach that talks to you, or questions you? Do you get like 4-6 ejections a week?

mcrowder, just because I said I warned someone doesn't mean that I said, "Hey you, that is enough" or "not one more word." Like I said earlier I would be a very foolish official to practice those types of habits. And as far as the parenting thing, that is apples and oranges and in poor taste as an example.

If I said, "Hey guys were not going to sit here and do this all day." and someone responds, I am suppose to dump him?

Pete, since I was promoted in 2002 in pro ball and opted to leave the game for a more stable and rewarding career and l have happily worked a very nice Div I schedule, and I have never once been questioned by partners, observers, or coordinators about how I handle people on the field.

I posted and will continue to post real situations so that others and myself can learn from them. Unless you have any objections.

I posted and will continue to post real situations so that others and myself can learn from them. Unless you have any objections.

I do not care what you post and you can post to your "hearts content" but here is one of your responses to a poster

Again, I will happily answer any questions you have and engage in any discussion you would like to on the topic of handling situations.

In that entire thread it sounded to me as if you were defending yourself.

The ending of your original post was with a question which IMO was answered, yet you didn't like the answer and felt the need to give a disertation on your umpiring career to substantiate what you did.

As far as your comment about ejecting assistant coaches. If you ignore them there's no need to eject.

IMO, engaging with an assitant coach is like engaging with the scorekeeper.

Again as I stated in my original post to you, the theme of the thread is "why did you feel the need to engage with the assistants." Perhaps you knew them

Pete Booth

I'm still trying to get past "rum dum high school or adult ball."

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Steve,

High school and adult ball ejections happen ever day without being reported, that was my point and you are correct I should have stated it in a better way.

Ok Pete,

I don't know too many people that would take a side and not defend it, but I am willing to learn so teach me because I want to know how to do it better.

"In the top of the 2nd, the third out was made on a non-routine play at first base where the first baseman possibly had his foot off the base. My partner called the runner out and the entire dugout erupted."

Why don't you explain to me how you handle it from there and why you handle it that way.

:confused:

That’s certainly not how it’s done here. All ejections including coaches, assistant coaches and players must be reported in full with in 24 hours.

Paul B.

Paul, that may be the case where you are from; and I am not saying that it happens every day all, the time, but we have all heard stories about someone getting ejected and no report was ever turned in. It is not like I am saying that you have to believe in a rising fastball, because I am not, but are you telling me that every high school and adult ball ejection in the country gets reported?

No,

It just came off as a slight toward HS umpires. Here the AIA takes ejections quite seriously.

Paul B.

Durham is just asking for advice on how different umpires handle a situation. If I was told something that I might not fully understand the reasoning, I would ask questions. Not so much to question your responses but to understand why you would do something. If I have a different way of handling situations and think its a good way to handle it then I will defend my reasoning. Everybody is different umpire. If umpires come on here to try to learn I would want as much information as possible. If guys want to write where the umpiring career has taken them that is more information to render which way will be the best to handle the situation. For example if one guy says just ignore them and he's experience is little league. While the other guy says issue as many warnings as possible then eject and has pro ball experience. Who has the most experience and has the most up to date training for these types of situations. As an umpire I would want to have options for handling situations. Just look at how many ways everybody handles just this situation. I think that is what these forums or all about. Teaching guys new things or adding to your "toolbox". Not to bash each other. Keep posting it's great to see everybody sharing info.

Around here, they do. I assign a 44-team adult league and the umpires are required to file ejection reports. There are usually 1-2 a week. And since all ejections in HS carry a 1-game suspension, umpires are expected to fill out an ejection report ASAP after an ejection occurs.

Hmmm,
 

In Oregon we are required to report all ejections within 24 hours. All ejections carry an additional one game suspension (appealable).

In high school baseball last year there were 96 ejections across all levels of high school baseball statewide. 41 of those ejections were for Malicious Contact.

Over 60% of the ejections occurred at the sub-varsity level. 9 forfeits were documented, all at the sub-varsity level, when teams did not have an ASEP certified coach to take over after a coach ejection.

Of the 96 ejections 41 were appealed for "special considerations". All appeals were tied to cutting the game suspension for the player/coach or to lower or eliminate the fine for the ejection.

20 appeals were granted by the Oregon School Activities Association. Neither of the player ejections that occurred during playoffs were successfully appealed.

Oregon is serious about reporting ejections.

Well .....................
 

Durham,

In a posted love letter to yourself about your skill in verbal banter with game participants, you asked a question.

You received answers that didn't match your lofty opinion of yourself.

Then, the ever popular umpire internet post when one's point-of-view is being dismantled, the "I coulda-woulda-shoulda been in pro ball, so don't question me". Did Jimmy Rollins tell you that you were a good ump when he was in Little League?

And, finally, PWL allies himself with you.

This post is a prime example of your game management skills. Nip it in the bud, don't let it gain a life of its own. You keep going back, when you should just deal with it and let it go.



Doug

durham - I think you issued too many warnings, so do many of the others here. Ultimately, you are answerable to your coordinator and to the coaches and our opinions amount to a hill of beans.

This reminds me,Tim. Have you made much progress on your work to define what constitutes malicious contact in NFHS play in Oregon?


Tim.

Let me jump in here.
I would ignore it, it wasn't my call.:mad:

Ok, you would ignore it, because it was not your call. How about the rest of you? What would you do?

I would let the BU handle it because it was his call. I would walk calmly in that direction, and if the BU had more than he could handle, then I would get involved, but not before.

And,
 

I would only get involved if requested by the calling umpire.

I think it is appropriate to steer the unnecessary participants away from what should be the BU and the Head Coach only. I won't wait for my partner to request this. We are instructed to help out in this regard. I won't involve myself in the arguement unless requested.

I am very surprised with all your experience that you would ask this type of question. The call belonged to the BU, therefore, I would give my partner the respect he/she deserves and let them handle it. There is no need for me to get involved.

If the BU wants any help or assistance from me he/she will ask.

I think you are "pulling our legs" now because most of us learned to not intervene with our partners call unless asked to do so in Umpiring 101.

Pete Booth

Tee,

Two questions:

First why don't the Ducks have a team? It seems like they would be able to support a decent one if you look at the rest of their programs, and the Beavers have a rather strong team, although their bats were silent today.

Second, can you share some insight on why the ejections that you mentioned that were over-turned were over-turned?

First off Pete, my experience has taught me that I don't know everything and to open my mind to learning about other ideas, even ones I do not agree with. Maybe I don't agree with them simply don't understand them.

Second, I was there that day in umpiring 101 and I did learn that, but the funny thing is, if you keep going to class thru the 200's and 300's they have you unlearn some of the things they first taught you and teach you different things: like you are partners and here is the rule book and these are the guidelines and at the end of the day you have to make sure they are done as a team, and not you take this half and I take my half and let's go work.

Examples:
Number of on deck hitters, I know there should only be 2 on deck hitters in NCAA and I see 4 guys out there swing the bat. The crew is responsible for enforcing that, but many guys think, I can't say anything about that it is the PU's job.
Last year, a player drew a line on a called third on my partner and he didn't see it, I turned to the HC who was at the end of the 3rd base dugout next to me and I asked him to take care of it and he pulled the player from the game. Did I step on toes there or help the crew?
A friend of mine, AAA umpire is working a game a few weeks ago, and his partner makes a call that one team doesn't like and the HC of that team throws his hat onto the field and the BU doesn't see it, so my friend runs him. Did he step on toes or help the crew?
A guy in the dugout snipers your partner on balls and strikes and you see exactly who did it. Why not help your partner?
The right fielder yells at your partner on balls and strikes. Why not turn and let him know you heard him and that you don't want to hear it again?
You’re at the 45-foot line on a play at first and the 1st base dugout pops off at your partner after he has had several close calls. Why not help out by deflecting for him?

I have learned that it is better for the crew to umpire the situation and not stick to it's his call and he has to take every ounce of crap for it. If the teams know that I am watching your back and you are watching mine and they have to deal with the 2 or 3 of us, it makes our job easier. Why would I disrespect my partner by letting him go it alone if I could help him, and the crew?

"... I am willing to learn..."

"... I am willing to open my mind and listen to other suggestions..."

Uh, no you're not. Much the opposite in fact. It's clear to 90% of the real umpires here that you "warned" too much, WAY to much in my opinion. Feel free to be in the minority here, but don't denigrate EVERYONE for disagreeing with you, especially since you specifically requested input and profess to be open to learning.

PS - I've worked in many states, and ALL of them require write-ups in short order for ANY ejections. This is not the first time you've stated erroneous assumptions about high school officiating. Did you EVER work high-school ball? Or were you born an NCAA umpire one day, right from the umpiring womb?

PPS - it's the kiss of death to get PWL on your side. That should tell you right there that you've strayed way off base and are subject to an appeal.

Nifty little catch phrase there, PWL. Think that up all by yourself?


If it was that easy then Tee would not have been asked to work on coming up with a way to define MC for FED play in the state of Oregon. One of the things we've discussed away from this board was the concept of "contact with the intent to injure the play." That's right, not just injure another player, but injure the play with unnecessary contact. There are other nuances to take into account other than the obvious intentional collision or trip. Umpire the game long enough and you'll see this for yourself.


Tim.

I asked a question, not for input on how I handled it. As for being open to learning new things I am very open. If you can show me how and why a different way is better, and it makes since to me, then why would I not use it? I am not talking about you did it wrong. If your reasoning for me doing it wrong is that I stepped on toes, I offered that my partners and I don't see it that way, and if you say that I warned too much, then you are confusing the difference between interacting with participants and actually saying that this is your warning. When I said that, the guy got ejected.

To answer your question about what order I worked ball in, I did work NCAA before I worked HS.

To answer your concern regarding PWL, I don't know this individual, nor do I know enough about them to pass judgment.

Grrr,
 

Sorry Tim, I did not see your question until a few moments ago.

The NFHS Executive Committee is reviewing the Oregon Malicious Contact guidelines as we speak.

FED has decided that coaches and administrators constant request for some type of guidelines has finally struck a nerve.

The majority of ejections in Oregon were for MC, the majority of additional game suspensions that were overturned on appeal were MC.

Oregon Malicious Contact Guideline:

The NFHS Baseball rulebook does not have a written definition for malicious contact. Refer to rule 3-3-1. Umpires must rule on all contact. The Umpires must determine if it is a violation of the rules and determine if the contact was incidental, interference or interference and malicious.

Keep in mind that; not all contact is malicious. Some interference calls involve contact.

Some contact is malicious.

We will attempt to give you some tools to understand contact and malicious contact.

Remember, if all players are doing what they are supposed to be doing, then there is probably not going to be an interference ruling. If a player is initiating contact, then there will be an interference ruling. More must occur to result in a ruling of Malicious Contact.

Please read on.

Oregon Ruling: Malicious Contact

Malicious contact: any willful or reckless actions or behavior(s) by any player either on offense or on defense, with intent to commit an unsportsmanlike act and/or cause harm or injure a player.

This usually centers on an attempt to dislodge a baseball, take the player out of the play, inflict pain or punishment on a player or to strike an opponent.

Since 99.9% of plays concerning Malicious Contact are instigated by the offensive player the following references are offered:

Guideline for 2006:

1) If a runner has time to get down and does not, the onus is for contact is on him.
2) If the runner then crashes into a fielder and knocks the fielder down, it is malicious contact.
3) If "malicious contact" is instigated by the offensive palyer and is called, the runner will always be called out.

As noted above this is now in the hands of the NFHS BUT the Oregon School Activities Association unanimously approved these guidelines for all high school baseball games played in this state for 2006.

Hope this helps.

Thanks, Tee.


I was wondering how you were going to incorporate the "injure the play" idea into the draft. I do agree with you that a flagrant attempt to dislodge the ball from a fielders hand or glove should be considered MC. It's my opinion that this doesn't have to be done just by crashing a fielder. Kicking at the ball would be an example of something I would consider MC, or slapping at the ball. For defensive MC I might have included flagrant hard tags.


Tim.

More irony. Someone who has never had an ejection giving advice on ejections.

Durham:

You'll find excellent advice on this site. Where you'll run into trouble is when you begin to argue repeatedly against that advice. It's like I tell my sons. If you didn't want an answer to the question then why did you ask it. I can tell you that from my experience on the board and through private correspondence with some of the boards more prominent members there have been many, many umpires who've come here to validate themselves even though they were wrong. They ask a question and if they don't get the answer they want they beat it to death until they either get their way or everyone stops responding to them at all. I'm not saying you should be thrown into that category, but you will find the boards members leery of newcomers who begin to argue in their first few threads.


Tim.

In this instance I am going to have to agree with you. I don't see any sharing and learning going on. :confused:

another swipe a HS umpires
 

Dennis: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
King Arthur: Bloody peasant!
Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway! Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about! Did you see him repressing me? You saw him, Didn't you? ;)

Paul B.

I am not arguing, I am saying show me a better way and tell me why it is better. And if I respond with my reasoning, explain to me how it is faulty. I am sure there are knowledgeable people here that do share, but I am not seeing much of that. I have been wrong before and will be again, but I don't learn from being told that I am wrong without someone showing me how or why. I don't think anyone's kids will learn from no, don't do it that way, unless you show them how to do it.

If the board's members are leery of debate, then what makes them more comfortable?

If you want an honest opinion, here it is. I've removed the majority of your first post because had you ejected in the second inning most likely none of the other stuff would have happened. This would be the reasoning behind ejecting early. It keeps the game under your control and stops bad situations from escalating into terrible situations.

This is how I would have handled it. As soon as the bench erupted I would have issued a bench warning just like you did. When the first assistant coach became even a little bit confrontational I would have cut him off immediately. As soon as the second assistant coach said anything other than "good job" to me I would have dumped him. At the JUCO level all coaches know what the proper decorum is for discussing calls with the umpires. They chose to breech that protocol and should have been dumped almost immediately. The first one, yea, maybe you did the right thing by keeping him in the game. But, the second one? No way.


Tim.

You are probably right, but the second he popped off I fired right back and he shut up so I turned around and went on with life. My partner and I talked about that exact same thing after the game over a burger and a pop and we decided that I could have gone either way with it. If I would have dumped him, then you are right, things probably would have been smooth sailing, but you never know with some of these guys. :rolleyes:

I don't hate you, PWL. I don't even dislike you. Both would be wasted emotions. Now, I do find some of your posts extremely entertaining to say the least. Especially the ones where you try to give advice on things beyond the scope of your experience. Call any balks lately? LOL

Tim.

Hey Mr. I've Never Ejected Anybody But Feel The Need To Give Advice Concerning Ejections:

Tim was here long before you, so if anyone should leave, it's you.

I have ball bags with more experience than you have, so shut your pie hole, please. You have nothing of value to add to an umpiring conversation. You have demonstrated time and time again that you don't know what you are talking about. When people point out your obvious lack of experience, you come back with hate speech, and it's just not welcome.

Don't ever pray for me, because I'm sure you don't have any connection with God, and I'd hate to know what you pray to.

Tim doesn't hate anyone, but if he hated you, he would have a good point.

Many extremely well-trained umpires offered you suggestions on how to have curbed the ill-mannered behavior early in the game.

Instead of , in the very least, agreeing to disagree, you proceeded to blather on about how what you did was correct and every one else was wrong. You were not debating, you were preachin' from the Bible of Durham.

Again I'll state, if you do not want to hear the answer, please don't ask the question.

You do not want to be shown anything, you want to attempt to showcase how superior you think you are.



Doug

Doug,

Serious question, what type of metal do you cut carbide keys with?

Serious answer, My manufacturing plant makes carbide-tipped bandsaws and I am the Keyman (foreman) of the operation. Plus, I carry alot of keys !


Doug

I recently bought several carbide tipped bandsaw blades, "Timber Wolf", for my new Delta X5 bandsaw. Pricey but well worth the money. Wood working is where the majority of my umpiring money goes.