Suppose the defense loses its right to appeal a missed base or a runner leaving too soon after a caught fly ball but tries to appeal anyway. As an umpire, what is the proper way to handle this? Signal safe? Make no call and wait for the defensive coach to go balistic?

OBR and FED interpretations welcome.

I do not signal anything, there's no appeal so there's no signal needed. I explain to the coach why he can't appeal.

Hopefully he'll study the rule book and learn how to make a proper appeal.

Just for my education, what is an improper appeal?

I do not mean this as a smart a$$ answer but you need to study the rule book to learn what can be appealed, when it can be appealed and the proper appeal procedure(s).

Basiclly an improper appeal is anything that does not meet the appeal criteria/method referenced in the rule book.

As an example, if the appeal is attempted after another pitch has occurred.

-LilLeaguer

That would be a stupid appeal!!
I know what is a proper appeal. The reason I asked the question was that a lot of so-called umpires will make stupid statements such as: On an appeal with mulitple runners passing 2B, and the player appeals the wrong runner, will say that it was not a proper appeal and tell them they lose the right to now appeal the correct runner. This is a stupid umpire.

I apologize for missing the intent of your question. I did not understand that you had an axe to grind.

As to your sitch, sign me,

-Stupid Umpire

Maybe you should have stated your question clearly. Your original question was "what is an improper appeal?", you asked nothing about an appeal with multi-runners passing 2B and a player appeals the wrong player.

I guess you "smart" umpires can all read minds.

Signed.....

ASU

Apparently he only thinks he knows "what is a proper appeal".

An appeal is a play, whether or not it’s a proper appeal needs a ruling from the umpire. As you said the defensive manager is going to go ballistic anyway. Why not do something that could prevent it? "Can’t appeal after…………." with no hand signal. let everyone know why. Unless you’re calling pro ball it’s our job as umpires to educate. Does that mean give a clinic on appeals, NO.

[Edited by EMBUAump on Mar 18th, 2006 at 07:32 AM]

...plus, asking "What is an improper appeal?" is only slightly more specific than "What makes a runner out?".

There are "improper" appeals that cause the defense to lose their right to further appeals, and those that don't. Some also confuse improper appeals with those that simply can't be honored (big difference).

It's hard to interpret tone in a typed message. Please, read the rule then be more specific and directed when asking questions.

D-man

Well,
 

Back to the original question:

If an appeal was incorrectly being made (let's assume it is an OBR game and the ball has gone into DBT and the umpire has not yet put the ball back into play)what signal or statement would you make as an umpire?

appeal
 

I'd say, you can't appeal while the ball is dead.

"If an appeal was incorrectly being made (let's assume it is an OBR game and the ball has gone into DBT and the umpire has not yet put the ball back into play)what signal or statement would you make as an umpire?"

From an upright position with arms folded, shake your head "No". Explainations by request. THAT'S the mechanic.


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