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briancurtin Mon Mar 13, 2006 09:35am

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Originally posted by bob jenkins
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Originally posted by briancurtin
i was down in STL today and yesterday watching my brother play (D3) and smitty PU was throwing the ball back almost every time. he buried at least 3 balls into the dirt, and threw 2 over F1's head.

oh yeah, he was wearing a black MLB uniform shirt with andy fletcher's number on it (i had to look that up, its #49). this guy probably couldnt even spell MLB.

Black is an acceptable color for NCAA ball.

yeah i realize this, but this had the MLB logo on the chest pocket and back of the neck. i like black myself, but not a real, seemingly authentic MLB shirt. especially when your partner is wearing all navy, and your own hat and ball bags are navy as well.

i just think its trying to be someone you arent by wearing that shirt on the field. others may disagree, but that was really my only problem with the shirt itself.

[Edited by briancurtin on Mar 13th, 2006 at 09:39 AM]

LMan Mon Mar 13, 2006 01:22pm

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[Amazing: If I worked where you work, the on-deck batter <i>would</i> retrieve the ball. It's a courtesy ever present - when I'm behind the mask.

*shrug* I only relate the situation as it is. Where I work, F2 jumps up the instant a ball goes to the backstop (even fouled off), so they are obviously taught to do that at their level (for whatever reason, I don't know). There's almost never a F2 to hand a ball to, if I were so inclined.

If the ball is obviously 'out', F2 will stand and put his mitt out to me for a ball. If he isn't sure its 'out', then he's off to the races, and I'm tossing a ball to F1 (who's walked toward me to ~ 45 feet). I haven't missed a toss yet, although there's always a first time.

I will have to try calling 'on-deck!' sometime to see if the ODB reacts. Might be entertaining.

David B Mon Mar 13, 2006 01:47pm

Change not a bad thing~
 
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Originally posted by LMan
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[Amazing: If I worked where you work, the on-deck batter <i>would</i> retrieve the ball. It's a courtesy ever present - when I'm behind the mask.

*shrug* I only relate the situation as it is. Where I work, F2 jumps up the instant a ball goes to the backstop (even fouled off), so they are obviously taught to do that at their level (for whatever reason, I don't know). There's almost never a F2 to hand a ball to, if I were so inclined.

If the ball is obviously 'out', F2 will stand and put his mitt out to me for a ball. If he isn't sure its 'out', then he's off to the races, and I'm tossing a ball to F1 (who's walked toward me to ~ 45 feet). I haven't missed a toss yet, although there's always a first time.

I will have to try calling 'on-deck!' sometime to see if the ODB reacts. Might be entertaining.

It shouldn't matter what everyone else does, you are in charge of your game and its very easy to fix.

Simply tell F2, "we'll let the ondeck guys to the chasing tonight, give them something to do".

F2 will love you for it, and the time saved in a three hour game ....

Might take a few reminders, but after a couple of innings everyone should be on board.

thanks
David

Carl Childress Mon Mar 13, 2006 02:40pm

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Originally posted by Carl Childress
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Originally posted by LMan
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[Amazing: If I worked where you work, the on-deck batter <i>would</i> retrieve the ball. It's a courtesy ever present - when I'm behind the mask.

*shrug* I only relate the situation as it is. Where I work, F2 jumps up the instant a ball goes to the backstop (even fouled off), so they are obviously taught to do that at their level (for whatever reason, I don't know). There's almost never a F2 to hand a ball to, if I were so inclined.

If the ball is obviously 'out', F2 will stand and put his mitt out to me for a ball. If he isn't sure its 'out', then he's off to the races, and I'm tossing a ball to F1 (who's walked toward me to ~ 45 feet). I haven't missed a toss yet, although there's always a first time.

I will have to try calling 'on-deck!' sometime to see if the ODB reacts. Might be entertaining.


Here's some advice that will speed up your games immensely. First:

At the pre-game meeting, "remind" the coaches that the on-deck batter should retrieve all loose balls when the bases are empty: wild pitch, passed ball, foul: "Coach, don't forget to let them know that's their job."

Second:

The first time the catcher starts for a ball that the on-deck batter should get, say: "Wait up, Hoss!"

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Before your post, I had never heard of an "area" where the catchers chased free balls. Amazing!

How about letting us know what part of the country that is?

Added: My conscience reminded me that the on-deck batter CANNOT get the loose ball after a wild pitch/passed ball because that never occurs unless a runner moves up a base. What I <i>meant</i> to say was: "The on-deck batter should retrieve loose balls, i.e, foul balls or pitches not controlled by the catcher."

[Edited by Carl Childress on Mar 13th, 2006 at 02:43 PM]

LMan Mon Mar 13, 2006 03:43pm

Thanks for the good input, I will try your methods and see how it goes.


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How about letting us know what part of the country that is?

Would "Aler-bamer" surprise you? :D

bob jenkins Mon Mar 13, 2006 03:52pm

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Originally posted by Carl Childress

Before your post, I had never heard of an "area" where the catchers chased free balls. Amazing!

How about letting us know what part of the country that is?


It might also depend on the level of ball. Around here, for example, HS and up the on-deck batter retrieves; lower, F2 usually retrieves.

Carl's suggestions work for the Frosh ball -- where they are "learning" the ropes. They are genererally ineffective for the lower level stuff. Above Frosh, the players generally have learned what to do.


mbyron Wed Mar 15, 2006 08:01am

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The level of ball often dictates the layout of the field: if all you've got is 10 feet between F2 and the backstop, it's not much of a burden for F2 to fetch. At higher levels, where there's 60 feet, it makes more sense for someone else to do it.

umpduck11 Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:29pm

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Originally posted by LMan
Thanks for the good input, I will try your methods and see how it goes.


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How about letting us know what part of the country that is?

Would "Aler-bamer" surprise you? :D

In my part of Aler-bamer, the ODB runs those
down, not F2.

LMan Wed Mar 15, 2006 02:19pm

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Originally posted by umpduck11
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Originally posted by LMan
Thanks for the good input, I will try your methods and see how it goes.


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How about letting us know what part of the country that is?

Would "Aler-bamer" surprise you? :D

In my part of Aler-bamer, the ODB runs those
down, not F2.


You are fortunate, then.

gobama84 Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:15am

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Originally posted by LMan
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Originally posted by umpduck11
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Originally posted by LMan
Thanks for the good input, I will try your methods and see how it goes.


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How about letting us know what part of the country that is?

Would "Aler-bamer" surprise you? :D

In my part of Aler-bamer, the ODB runs those
down, not F2.


You are fortunate, then.

In my part of Alabama (Morgan, Cullman, and Lawrence Counties) the ODB always goes after foul balls at the backstop.
Tighten them up LMan!!

LMan Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:57am

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Originally Posted by gobama84
Tighten them up LMan!!

uh huh, that will happen :rolleyes:


......We'll see Mideast peace before 'traditions' change around here! :D


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