Federation: Bases loaded. 2 outs. pitcher in wind-up position. R3 beats pitch to plate. Umpire declares pitch a strike. Count run or no?

Thanks

Was it strike three? If so, don't count the run. A run cannot score if the batter makes the third out before reaching first duringthe play.

If catcher obstructs by reaching out and recieving ball before it reaches plate, then we have obs (whether pitch was strike or ball), run scores and batter is awarded first. In this scenario, if runner on second and no runner on first, if R2 was not stealing, then he remains at second, runs scores and batter is awarded first.

Funny, I don't remember the original post even mentioning defensive interference.

Dave

i've got a question:

Is the run scoring before "the play" as jenkins describes it? I think many coaches would offer up the idea that these are two seperate plays, as the runner reached home before the ball got there. But i'm not really sure.

Alex
 

" . . . as the runner reached home before the ball got there."

But where was the runner at TOP?

That is the correct question a coach would need to ask himself.

Plus Dan, we can only hope that this doesn't happen in your game. Your partner would be in "B" or "C" and you wouldn't ask for help if it was a checked/unchecked swing situation.

Tee

[Edited by Tim C on Jan 10th, 2006 at 08:59 AM]

Read the FED definition of "PLAY" -- it's something like "a unit of action that begins when F1 has the ball on the rubber and ends when F1 again has the ball"

So, in FED it's clear that this is all one play.

It's not as clearly defined in the other codes, but the ruling is the same.

On a third strike, time of pitch determines whether run counts. The interference/obstruction question is not part of this situation, right?

bob

Dave,
just added info, sometimes this situation could occur during this scenario. Surely there isn't a law against what I did, is there??

yes, 3rd strike
 

Thanks guys. Strike three, no run scores. Also Tee, I had to laugh at your post, not for what you said but because I got my clock cleaned for making the same statement about not going to your partner for a checked swing if that partner was in B or C.
On another ump page, I was told I didn't know rules or mechanics and at least one guy never wanted to have to work with me. Tried to get a little discussion going about that issue which always comes up pre high school season, and now, after 25 years I'm worthless. Guess I'll stay with this site and forget the other.

what if runner is sliding into home and ball hits runner before it reaches plate?

Dave,
just added info, sometimes this situation could occur during this scenario. Surely there isn't a law against what I did, is there??
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Smo,
I'm not upset at your post and you made a good point. I also realize that most post situations get changed. But not that early. I mean, let the post mature a little bit before you change it.

Dave
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cool, it just popped into my mind. Had it happen in a district final about two years ago. I had the dish, made the ruling and the opposing coach and fans were not pleased. Such is the life of an official, right?

Depends:

5.09
The ball becomes dead and runners advance one base, or return to their bases, without liability to be put out, when

(h) Any legal pitch touches a runner trying to score; runners advance.

6.05(n) With two out, a runner on third base, and two strikes on the batter, the runner attempts to steal home base on a legal pitch and the ball touches the runner in the batter's strike zone. The umpire shall call "Strike Three," the batter is out and the run shall not count; before two are out, the umpire shall call "Strike Three," the ball is dead, and the run counts.