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BigUmp56 · #1 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 20, 2005, 05:23pm

Kind of like the three bears.

Too close?

Too far?

Just right?

Tim.

SanDiegoSteve · #2 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 20, 2005, 05:32pm

Way too far away on a tag play, gotta get your nose into it. 3BLX probably better for this play anyhoo.

[Edited by SanDiegoSteve on Dec 20th, 2005 at 07:11 PM]

D-Man · #3 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 20, 2005, 06:09pm

Biggie,

Where'd you find the picture?

D

BigUmp56 · #4 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 20, 2005, 06:22pm

D-Man:

That's a picture by Bob Larson from the Yahoo LL umpires group.

Bunch~a~Smitty's anyway. Just look at them all trying to look like real umpires!

Tim.

GarthB · #5 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 20, 2005, 07:09pm

Quote:

Originally posted by BigUmp56
D-Man:

That's a picture by Bob Larson from the Yahoo LL umpires group.

Bunch~a~Smitty's anyway. Just look at them all trying to look like real umpires!

Tim.

Hard to tell when they're just standing there. They might be real umpires trying to look like Smitty's.

GarthB · #6 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 20, 2005, 11:11pm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SanDiegoSteve
Way too far away on a tag play, gotta get your nose into it. 3BLX probably better for this play anyhoo.

With the catcher drawn that far into the infield, you'd never see a swipe tag of the back of the runner from 3BLX.

Edited due to mistakes from too much Sangiovese, but what the hey. it's vacation.

[Edited by GarthB on Dec 21st, 2005 at 01:44 AM]

BigUmp56 · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 20, 2005, 11:26pm

Quote:

Originally posted by GarthB

Quote:

Originally posted by SanDiegoSteve
Way too far away on a tag play, gotta get your nose into it. 3BLX probably better for this play anyhoo.

[Edited by SanDiegoSteve on Dec 20th, 2005 at 07:11 PM]

With the catcher drawn that far into the infield, you'd never see a wipe tag of the bag of the runner from 3BLX.

What's a wipe tag of a bag of a runner?

LOL

Tim.

Dave Davies · #8 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 21, 2005, 12:11am

Picture? What Picture? I got a picture of a little red 'X'.

Dave
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SanDiegoSteve · #9 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 21, 2005, 01:31pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave Davies
Picture? What Picture? I got a picture of a little red 'X'.

Dave
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Consider yourself lucky.

Tim C · #10 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 21, 2005, 04:12pm

PWL, now that's funny.

T

Sal Giaco · #11 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 21, 2005, 04:17pm

I think you guys are joking around here...this is a classic example of how NOT to take this play at the plate. The picture shows the instructor getting straight-lined and basically having no angle to see whether or not the runner is being tagged.

A classic rule of umpiring is NEVER put anything between yourself and the play. Obviously, the runner is in a direct line between the umpire and the catcher(tag) - Big NO NO. This play should definitely be taken 3BLX.

[Edited by Sal Giaco on Dec 21st, 2005 at 05:00 PM]

Mike Walsh · #12 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 21, 2005, 05:23pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave Davies
Picture? What Picture? I got a picture of a little red 'X'.

Dave
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Same here - a little red X. I use AOL, which is a problem sometimes, but then I tried it in internet explorer without AOL and had the same problem. Any ideas how to get around it?

Mike

GarthB · #13 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 21, 2005, 05:35pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Sal Giaco
I think you guys are joking around here...this is a classic example of how NOT to take this play at the plate. The picture shows the instructor getting straight-lined and basically having no angle to see whether or not the runner is being tagged.

A classic rule of umpiring is NEVER put anything between yourself and the play. Obviously, the runner is in a direct line between the umpire and the catcher(tag) - Big NO NO. This play should definitely be taken 3BLX.

[Edited by Sal Giaco on Dec 21st, 2005 at 05:00 PM]

Personally, I disagree. At 3BLX if there were a swipe, you'd never see the contact.

I would have started at the point and when the catcher moved that far into the infield, I'd have moved to 1BLX and then taken a step or more if needed to my left to avoid being straight lined. But that's just me.

Mike Walsh · #14 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 21, 2005, 05:39pm

Quote:

Originally posted by BigUmp56
D-Man:

That's a picture by Bob Larson from the Yahoo LL umpires group.

Bunch~a~Smitty's anyway. Just look at them all trying to look like real umpires!

Tim.

I could not see the picture posted, so I went to the source. Let's be fair, Tim. The title of the picture is "1blx vs. 3blx" and it is one of two pictures. The other shows the fielder and runner in the same position with the umpire in the 3blx instead of 1blx position. Viewed in context, it is obvious that the purpose is to show why 3blx is the way to make this call.

Bob Larson posted the picture, but I don't think he is in it. Maybe. I know from other posts that he annually attends a professional clinic on the East Coast. Your reference to a bunch of smittys seems misplaced. Shouldn't you save your criticism for the wannabee umpires who don't seek advanced training?

Mike

Sal Giaco · #15 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 21, 2005, 05:52pm

Quote:

Originally posted by GarthB
Personally, I disagree. At 3BLX if there were a swipe, you'd never see the contact.

This picture does NOT show a swipe tag but rather a tag actually being applied on the inside shoulder of the runner - which is impossible to see if you are positioned 1BLX. That's probably why the instructor has his arms out to his side suggesting that he can't tell whether or not the tag has been applied. If you position yourself 3BLX (the same angle from which the picture was taken), you can clearly see that the runner was tagged.

Now, if the play developed further, perhaps into a swipe tag on the runner's back, then you would have to adjust a couple of steps towards fair territory (yes, like Bruce Froeming does) to see the tag. It's a basterd (sp) play but what else can you do??