The south side hit men FINALLY get the respect they deserve!!!!

sorry, but no

no more respect will come from me as a result of this, so the respect total is still at -1

There will still be more fans at Wrigley on any given game day.

All at once: Wait until next year! :)

Congratulations to Ozzie and gang, not many of us thought you could do it.

The fact that fans keep showing up at Wrigley is exactly why they'll keep losing....why spend more money on better talent when the fans keep coming anyway.

I'm anxious to see what happens when they eventually have to tear down Wrigley....will the fans show up then?

As a Boston Fan, let me offer my congradulations! We waited 86 years, you waited 88. Now enjoy the high because next season comes quickly!

Oh so typical Sox Fan. More worried about what the Cubs do then their own team. Instead of enjoying the great season that they had they're still envious and jealous of the national and local following that the Cubs have. As long as Wrigley Field is in existence it will always be a Cubs town.

Remember MLB is not in the Sports Business they're in the Entertaiment Business. Do you think Reinsdorf gives a rats a** as to why you go to The Cell. He could care less if you went there expecting a "rugby game" instead of a baseball game as long as you bought your ticket.

Second game of the 2006 season who will have the higher paid attendance the Cubs or the Sox? Cubs of course and that's what drives Sox Fans crazy.

Memo to Cub fan:

1984. Scoreboard.

Way to go Go-Go Sox! My favorite AL team since forever!

Signed, Cub-Buster.

Hmmmm, What did you guys finish 2 games over .500? To win a division with that record is embarassing. Bring up something from 1984? That's pathetic. Memory serves me correct didn't Detroit sweep?

Actually Detroit won in 5 games.

Peace

<b>Sorry Cub fans...We're not the second team in the second city any more!!!!!!! </b>

Actually, it's been a long time since you've been the "second city".

Yo Gordo,

I'll tell you what's pathetic.....still hearing how Bartman ruined it for you and he wasn't the only one going for the ball. Even the Astro fans got out of the way of Uribe

Okay, okay...I'm a Cubs fan. I don't blame Bartman when Prior and Wood (two of the most dominant pitchers that season) couldn't get the job done. I don't think it's a curse or worse. The Tribune company is content to place a playoff contending team on the field every five years. Wrigley sells out because it is a fantastic place to see a ballgame and doubles as a terrific beer garden. The surrounding neighborhood is fun, safe and offers a variety of entertainment. The lovable, laughable Cubbies are adored by the legions. The Cubs convention is living proof that once you wear that uniform, you are immortalized. (For godsakes, Henry Blanco signs autographs!)

Nearly one hundred years of sarcasm, scorn and mockery have been heaped on those of us who bleed Cubbie blue. We do not have a World Series ring and probably won't have one in the next decade. But one thing is true, the Cubs still own Chicago. The South Side deserves their revelry, but next year, US Cellular will be sold out when the Cubs come to play and when the rings are handed out. Otherwise, those tickets are like easier to score than Paris Hilton.

I remember 1984 and the grief I felt when they took the pipe from a team that dressed like they were selling fried chicken. Dwelling on that Padres squad is almost as pathetic as my friends who worship the 1985 Bears. At least the Bears won it all.

The White Sox are rightfully celebrating. Cub fans will claim that they could have won if they had four outs in the playoffs. I say, a great season is done and I'm ready for the next one to begin soon. Baseball is still a fantastic game - umpires don't win or lose and we've got great seats for the action.

Wait until next year...decade...century!

somebody has sour grapes!
 

Gordon,

Well, wasn't that the last time you losers were in the NLCS? Who cares that the Padres suck in the World Series, each time they have been there (you see, they have been there, at least!). It doesn't bother Padres fans. Do you know why? Because we just smile and think of Cubs fans. Takes all the pain away.

BTW, did you want the Padres to say "no thanks, we're too embarrassed by our regular season record to accept the Division Championship, and go to the post-season. We'll just pass if you don't mind." That is truly pathetic on your part to think that the season record matters, if you win your division, and advance to the playoffs.

If that's the best you have....well, try harder.

Hey WhatWuz,

I was there in the outfield bleachers when Garvey won Game 4, so if I want to refer back to these wonderful memories, I will. The sweetest sound was Jerry Coleman's "Ground ball to Nettles, to Wiggins, and the Padres have the National League Pennant! Oh, Doctor!" Some memories last forever, as Geddy Lee would say.

exactly.

the only times ive been to us cellular were for dollar hot dog nights, on nights that the other team is respectable. i see no other reason to go.

The sweetest sounds I ever heard were my children's first cries. I guess we have different priorities.

It sounds like you peaked twenty years ago. The last time I checked, Gordon wasn't a member of the Cubs, so asking him "when the last time you losers were in the NLCS" seems really silly. By the way, the Cubs were in the NLCS against Florida when the Bartman episode happened. I could take a couple of easy shots at you too, but making you look bad would be redundant.

1. Ball in the stands spectators have the right of way. Bartman thing way over played. The guy does not repeat does not deserve the grief that he received. It's the medias fault for blowing this out of proportion. If you watched the game it and know anything about baseball it was Alex Rodriguez booting the DP grounder that opened the flood gates.

2. Fans should have tackled Uribe to keep him from making a play. I gurantee that would have happened at the Cell if Everett was going for the ball.

Who's Jerry Coleman? I guess some memories don't last forever.

If you are ignorant enough not to know who Jerry Coleman is, then try looking in the Baseball Hall Of Fame, located in Cooperstown, New York.

Sorry, you have a very forgetable baseball team.

We were talking about baseball, not babies. You are comparing apples and cubbies.

As far as peaking twenty years ago, what the hell are you babbling about? What does making a reference to a moment in history have to do with "peaking". You are the idiot everyone here thinks you are. Cheap shot away, dufus.

I see you mean Jerry Coleman (not Coleman's sounds like he is playing) Broadcasting the game. Groundball to Nettles (playing first base) to Wiggins (playing second base) I think you mean ground ball to Wiggins (playing second) to Nettles (playing first) game over.

I guess some memories don't last forever.

As I'm sitting here watching the ticker-tape parade on Lasalle in Chicago I realized that the race is over.

What I mean is that there are only 2 cities with more than 1 baseball team. The Mets unfortunately will always be behind the Yanks because the Yanks have won a lot over the years. The difference in Chicago is that BOTH teams have been terrible for many, many years. Here is my analgy to a race. For all these years the Cubs have been the hare...flashy and getting all the attention and the Sox have been the tortoise...subdued yet determined.

Well, we all knew who won and as a Sox fan that's the best feeling in the world. We beat the Cubs to the punch and even though they have been getting all the attention it's now our turn. I would've been ticked if the Cubs won first but that didn't happen.

I now live in Arizona and when I tell people where I'm from they say "Cubs fan eh?".

Redemption is oh so sweet!!

Oh so typical Sox Fan. More worried about the Cubs than their own team. I'm a Cub fan and not a Sox fan. Jealous and envious right now? You betcha. I always like to see friends and acquaintances do well and now is no exception. I'm happy for them their team won. I can only imagine the feeling.

Second home game 2006 season who will have the higher paid attendance? 99.9% sure the Cubs will sell out and that's what drives Sox Fans crazy. Tis now and ever will be as long as the Cubs play at Wrigley!!!!!!!

Oh so typical Cubs fan...bringing up how many more fans will show up at Wrigley as opposed to Comiskey. Last year and every typical year before that I would have to agree but did you see the game Wednesday?? They won. Are you sure that will be the same for next year? This has never happened in any of our lifetimes. How can you be so sure?

Like I said before, if what you say is true then you and all the envious fans on the north side will just have to wait till next, next year. Cuz, all the fat cats at the Trib are just sitting back and laughing at all those fans who show up for the atmosphere and not a game. Why shell out more money when the fans like the ballpark more than the team????????

Like I said nothing drives a Sox fan crazier than the local and national following that the Cubs have. It's no question the charm and atmosphere at Wrigley is the reason for the Cubs popularity. I'm sure if the Sox played at Wrigley they would out draw the Cubs. Incidently the Cubs spent about $100 million on payroll. Poorly spent you're probably correct.

The White Sox won for a really simple reason.

They are the best team in baseball.

They don't have the best individual players, but without a doubt Ozzie has developed them into the best TEAM. Even Frank Thomas, on the outside looking in, has started to actually sound human lately.

Way to go, Sox. Congratulations!

11-1 in the playoffs!

Keep the teamwork going and you've only seen the beginning of a multi-year run, maybe not to world champions every year, but certainly well into the playoffs.

From San Diego Steve -

"Sorry, you have a very forgetable baseball team.

We were talking about baseball, not babies. You are comparing apples and cubbies.

As far as peaking twenty years ago, what the hell are you babbling about? What does making a reference to a moment in history have to do with "peaking". You are the idiot everyone here thinks you are. Cheap shot away, dufus.:
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1) The Cubs aren't mine. I root for them, but again your judgement is amiss. If they are so forgettable, why is it that the country (not just the north side of Chicago) went crazy at the thought of Boston and Chicago meeting in the Series a couple years ago? There are Chicago Cub fans throughout the US. Retirees take their allegiance along with their belongings to warmer climates. That loyalty was brought about by the Cubbies' heart and futility. They captured the imaginations of little boys and old ladies. The world is waiting for them to shake that monkey off their backs; almost one hundred years by my count.

2) You are the wunderkid that said that the sweetest sound you ever heard was Jerry Coleman. That simply shows your immaturity. For those of us with children and/or grandchildren, your statement shows a lack of judgement. Your words that tripped you up, not mine. When you use superlatives you need to be aware of the ramifications. You've been told that about one hundred billion times, right? (Sweetest is a euphemism for favorite or best, in case you forgot.)

3) Your reference to 1984 was not an allusion to a moment in history. You made a couple of statements that have told us that this was your highlight real. "Peaked" sounds accurate to me. Come to think of it, you sound a lot like DaveinSoCal. Hmmmm?

4) Like I wrote earlier, I don't need to take shots at you. Others seems to be aware that your words do more damage than any of ours.

Yes, a Boston/Cubs series would have been great, I agree.

If you read my original Jerry Coleman reference, you will see that you have misquoted me. I said the sweetest sound (refering to the subject of the 1984 NLCS) was Jerry Coleman, etc. I never, ever, said it was, as you say "the sweetest sound I ever heard". Do you always misquote people in your takes? My judgement is right on the money. Immature? You gotta be on dope, dude!!!! I have a 27 year old daughter, and the greatest thrill in my life was being in the delivery room for her birth, and cutting her cord, hearing her first cries.

So, since you have misspoken, it appears that your judgement is lacking, not mine.

You Cubs fans, for all your "wait til next year" exuberance, are really, really touchy about the fact that you haven't been to the Big Show in a while.

Gordon,

I am wondering if you actually saw this game, or were even born yet when it was played!

It was a groundball to Nettles(playing THIRD base, like he played every game that I'm aware of in his career), to Wiggins (playing second base) for the force out that ended the game. Where you came up with a 3-4-3 double play is not only inaccurate, it doesn't make sense either. A 3-6-3 would be much more common.

Jerry Coleman was the second baseman for the Yankees, and left the team during WWII and volunteered to fly combat missions, and become a national hero. He then returned to the Yanks, only to volunteer for the Korean War, to go fly some more combat missions. Oh, later he had a HOF broadcasting career.

My memory is just fine, thank you.

[Edited by SanDiegoSteve on Oct 28th, 2005 at 09:33 PM]

From San Diego Steve-

"Yes, a Boston/Cubs series would have been great, I agree.

If you read my original Jerry Coleman reference, you will see that you have misquoted me. I said the sweetest sound (refering to the subject of the 1984 NLCS) was Jerry Coleman, etc. I never, ever, said it was, as you say "the sweetest sound I ever heard". Do you always misquote people in your takes? My judgement is right on the money. Immature? You gotta be on dope, dude!!!! I have a 27 year old daughter, and the greatest thrill in my life was being in the delivery room for her birth, and cutting her cord, hearing her first cries.

So, since you have misspoken, it appears that your judgement is lacking, not mine.

You Cubs fans, for all your "wait til next year" exuberance, are really, really touchy about the fact that you haven't been to the Big Show in a while."
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Dave...is that you? Maturity has little to do with age.

One question. Where have you White Sox fans been hiding until this season? It took a pennant-winning season to finally draw over 2,000,000. The Cubs went over THREE MILLION last season and this season. And over two million the three previous seasons.

In the past five seasons, 2001-2005, the Sox totaled 9,655,977. In the same time frame, the Cubs drew 14,705,337. A difference of 5,049,360. And, in a smaller park.

So, enjoy your World Series victory. Just see where you all disappear to when the Pale Hose don't win a pennant.

Bob

Hey Bob,

Do you call yourself blue cuz of the lack of O2 to the brain? I've said it once and I will say it again. The Sox fans want a winning team on the field. So, they choose to not come to the ballpark when the team sucks in hopes that mgt. will produce a better team.

Cubs fans will show up no matter what. Now, if you owned the Cubs and fans keep showing up day after day, year after year, why would you go out and spend the time and money to produce a better team?

The Tribune is making money on the ambience of a historic ballpark. What happens to the fans when they have to do away with Wrigley? What goes up must come down.

1) Actually, your blood is blue because of the oxygen!

2) Even when the Sox were winning in June, you could still find plenty of tickets at face value. Hell, I was at a party in one of the boxes and the two boxes on either side were empty. We were first base extneded in the lowest level - incredible view! Corporate boxes with no one in them...they build extra seats across from Wrigley in order to accomodate all who want to see the team.

3) The answer to your first question is...one world series, baby! You wouldn't be able to by a ticket at twice the price the following season.

4) The answer to your second question is the most telling. Other teams love having the Cubs in town. Legions of fans sell out those places in case you've been comatose for the last decade. The Cell is full when the Cubs fans pack it. The day after the series, "Get your free seats, right here. C'mon, who wants two?"

5) What goes up must come down? Is that a prelude to next year's White Sox team? Wrigley is an icon and protected by the Historic Buildings Act. Old Comiskey was a dump in a slum neighborhood. Now, you've got a championship ball team playing in a half empty new park, in a slum neighborhood. When you pull into Wrigleyville, people roll down the windows to hear the sounds and smell the food. When I get off the expressway to go to 35th and Shields, we roll 'em up and lock 'em. I'll take some drunk Cub fan pissing on a tree over a guy with a knife trying to steal my car. Wrigley will be standing long after you're in the ground. The Cubs probably won't have a championship either, but we'll have a team that we actually like and admire. Perpetual losers refers both to our team and apparently, Chicago White Sox fans.

When was there a guy with a knife trying to steal your car?? Did that really happen??

How about you fill everyone in on that little incident that REALLY happened either last year or two years ago when a guy was shot right out front of the "friendly confines". Doesn't seem to friendly now does it??

Been to a game lately? Are those nets underneath the upper deck there to catch butterflies?? And god forbid you have seats waaaaaaayyyyy under the upper deck. Where'd that fly ball go? Is it home run....wait..nope..I see Alou throwin' a fit though.

That's all ya got is Wrigley. Ya got no team. How long you Cubs fans gonna hold on to that? Stop showin' up for games and THEN AND ONLY THEN will management give you a team you so desperately need.

hahaha, you would mention that, and you would consider that incident to tarnish the "friendly confines" title. thats honestly stupid.

rememeber laz diaz, and tom gamboa? those two situations were probably the worst fan situations ive seen in baseball. only that would happen on the south side though.

(no, eric dybaz or whoever the one scumbag was, is not a cubs fan. that was a joke)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by PWL

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Not that it really matters to me. But why was game 4 so special? Didn't the Padres win the Series in 5 games. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

PWL,

It's simple: Game 4 was the only game that I had a ticket for. It happened to be the most exciting game of the entire series, because of the HR by Steve Garvey to win the game in the bottom of the 9th. This is why it is special to Padres fans.

Game 5, which was the following day, was when they won the Pennant, with the last play being the one-hopper to Puff Nettles to Alan Wiggins for the force-out.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by PWL

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BTW, didn't Leon Durham pull a Bill Buckner in that Series?

Sort of. Leon's was a much harder hit ball, and a tougher chance. Billy Buck's was a Little League Minors grounder in comparison.

Yeah Brian that was embarrassing. To this day I still don't understand how they came out of that pile walking. Those players should've had a hayday with that father/son duo. But at least those 2 morons didn't shoot someone.

Didn't a fan at Wrigley grab the hat of a bench pitcher or catcher down the 1st base line last year causing a ruckus in the stands and a lady got clocked in the schnoz with a chair? Yeah, real classy move there.

yeah the chair toss was a different situation, but still, if a chair was tossed into the stands by a player in the visiting bullpen at wrigley...how would that pertain to the fans? besides the fact that some idiot took a guys hat, which is stupid, a lady getting hit with a chair is the visiting teams problem.

if we are going to be talking about people being shot, which is asinine in the first place, remember that the cops found someone buried near (near as in very near) US Cellular not too long ago?

My bad on the chair tossing mixup.

The buried body thing had nothing to do with a fan or baseball for that matter. That was a mob thing and the city of Chicago as a whole is infamous for that. Can you come up with anything better than that?

Hypothetically, if that chair was tossed by a player at Wrigley it was instigated by a fan grabbing a hat just like the fight in the right field stands was caused by a fan (grabbing a hat). So, that's how it's connected.

Maybe the buried body was a hit done during the '59 series when a Sox fan was taunting a Cub fan for at least making it to the big show.

Last year against the Seattle Mariners -
I was invited to go to a game with some other business friends. The game was fantastic, Ichiro went 5-5 and received a standing ovation after his fifth hit. Fireworks after the game...nice food...we really thought everything was nice. Three of us left together and waited for eternity for the traffic to move along. As we neared the expressway, we were still inching along when a guy approached the driver's window. He held out his hand looking for money and my friend waved him off. He should have rolled up the window, because the guy pulled out a knife and told him to get out of the car. I presume he was a Mariner's fan, because my friend was wearing a sox jersey. That could be the only reason why that happened, right?

Did you forget the Dad who was attacked with an iron bar and left brain damaged? He was walking with his family back to the car when he was hit from behind. How about the shooting between the LK and Cobras a year ago? That was during a game. These freaks walked out of a game and shot it out in the parking lot. How many gangs fight for turf control around Wrigley? There are hundreds more incidents of stupidity at the Cell. Get your facts right, two different sets of fan hooliganism, half empty stands throughout a championship year and the need for Kevlar when you journey to the Cell (an appropriate nickname to most of the fans). Wrigley is a beer garden, no fireworks, no batting cages nor showers to cool off. Cub fans go to see a baseball game up close. They cheer for the boys who like to sign autographs and don't whine about playing time. No member of the Cubs looks like 50cent or owns a rap label. Maybe that's why grandmas and little kids cheer for them.

When the Cubs played the Marlins for the LCS, the south side had free beer for Marlin fans, served up booze for every Cubs loss and derided them for making it when the Sox were horrible. Did you see much of that going on this year? Nah, Cubs fans bought tickets (yes, they were available) and went to watch baseball. As fans of the game, we appreciate how special that team was. The north side showed class and restraint, cheering on LaSalle when Ozzie went by. Look around next summer, how many Financial District power brokers have Cubs gear? It's called class and maturity. We respect the game and appreciate the victors. We'd rather watch the Sox win the Series than the Astros. Some day you'll understand why.

Yes, Wrigley is old and in need of repair. The netting insures that the full house doesn't get injured. Built before architectural safety codes, Wrigley and Fenway pack them in anyway. Both parks have terrific atmosphere, great sitelines and people feel safe going there. (Didn't you need oxygen to sit in the top rows when the Cell opened? They realized ther mistake and cut those rows off!) In case you missed it, the Tribune Company is in a battle to alter Wrigley. They can't because of preservation codes and double-dealing alderman. When was it that Wrigley was being torn down?

You just proved my point. Sox "fans" are front runners. A TRUE fan supports his/her team no matter what their record is. The Sox can't filll their park, and the Cubs arec expanding the seating.

I remember going to Old Comiskey Park when the Yankees (DiMaggio) and the BoSox (Williams) were in town, and they wouldn't even open the upper decks, because the payers outnumbered the fans in the stands. The Sox in those days were pathetic because the Comiskeys were the cheapest owners in baseball, and wouldn't sign high-priced players. For years, the only real MLB players they had were Luke Appling and Ted Lyons.

So, keep your cave clean, because as soon as the South Siders aren't in a pennant race, you'll have somewhere to hide again.

Bob

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bluezebra

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I remember going to Old Comiskey Park when the Yankees (DiMaggio) and the BoSox (Williams) were in town, and they wouldn't even open the upper decks, because the payers outnumbered the fans in the stands. The Sox in those days were pathetic because the Comiskeys were the cheapest owners in baseball, and wouldn't sign high-priced players. For years, the only real MLB players they had were Luke Appling and Ted Lyons. Bob

Dang, you're old!:D

The name was COMISKEY PARK. The old Chicago Stockyards was located not too far from the park, and though it closed years ago, the stink still permeates the neighborhood.

Bob

Sox Fans, You're Still Number Two
 

This is hysterical. As a diehard Cubs fan, I gotta say hats off to the Sox...it was your year of destiny. Never before have I seen a team of .260 hitters dominate like the Sox did this year. Never before has a team capitalized on every officiating blunder like the Sox. To all Sox fans, enjoy it while I'm drowning in envy.

But I'm afraid that's where it ends. I respect the Sox no more than the 2002 Angels, or the 2003 Marlins. Above average teams who got hot at the right time, with no superstars on their team, and fell back to mediocrity shortly after their day in the sun.

Sox Fans, say what you want about the Cubs. Yea, we're cursed...the baseball gods spoke in 2003. It was supposed to be the Cubs in '03, Bosox in '04, Chisox in '05. All suffering's going to come to an end! But even the Cubs found a way to **** that up. So enjoy it while you can, because we thought the Bears would win more than one, and we thought the Jordan years would never end.

What I think is funny is that the respect will never come the Sox way. They will always be second fiddle. And not even a World Series title is going to change that.

Lets see how many big endorsement deals fall in their laps? That is the true measure of popularity in this day and age.

Chicago's own blubbering demagogue, Richard "It Wasn't My Fault" Daley is like a pig in...well, you know. I'm surprised he hasn't painted the streets black and white.
The Sox could lower their ticket prices, re-sign Konerko and get ManRam and the Cubs would still outdraw them.

Hey, how about those first place Bears?

This just shows how sad the Cubs fans are. They are more worried about whether the town turns against their team based on the fact that another team actually won the World Series. This is why I cannot stand the Cubs. The Sox won the World Series and just as suspected Cubs fans are trying to figure out how they stack up based on very trivial issues rather than winning.

I am a big time Cardinals fan and I do not care how many people show up to the game, I want to win. It is about championships, not how many people come to the stadium. Maybe that is why the Cardinals keep winning the division every year.

Peace

im not worried at all. i know, as well as everyone, that it is still a cubs town. there are no worries.

[Edited by briancurtin on Oct 31st, 2005 at 01:11 AM]

The Cardinals keep winning the division...so did the Buffalo Bills.

It is not about how many people turn the gate, it's about repsect, love and admiration. This thread was all about getting a title and expecting respect. That doesn't happen in this world. As JC said, the Marlins won it, the Diamondbacks had their moment in the sun too. Did the world rally around them? The Sox had a great year and deserve to shine. The only problem is that they are still the third or fourth team in this town. The friggin' Bears are drawing attention from them with a 4-3 record!

I guess it is great to consider the town to be a Cubs' town, but your team will not ever win a championship. Keep giving the Tribune Company your money while the team sucks year in and year out.

Peace

Hey Jeff,

The Cubs don't suck. In 2004 and 2005 they were decimated by injuries. I'd like to see how the Cardinals, White Sox or any team for that matter would fare without their #1 and #2 pitchers for significant portions of the season. To win you need to avoid injuries to your key players and you need career years from one or two second line players and your star players have to hold their own. Although a Cub fan I don't hate the Cardinals I've always had respect for their organization because they are competitive every year. As a Cardinal fan you better hope that the Tribune never sells the Cubs. The Cubs have a National following and as such their TV rights are probably comparable to the Yankees. We don't see this because of their relationship to WGN. If a Mark Cuban type or one of these Dot.Com guys ever purchases the Cubs they could easily become the "Evil Empire of the National League".

Gordon,

Carperter was hurt last year and made it to the World Series. This year Rollin was hurt this year a really big bat in the middle of their lineup. And they made it to the Championship Series this year. We even lost Reyes this year as well for the entire playoffs.

The Cardinals have had injuries every year and still make it into the playoffs and even the LCS during those years. I agree that injuries play a role, but the Cardinals plug in holes with marginal players and they step up. So do not give me the injury excuse. How about getting rid of these pitchers that cannot ever start a season without being on the Disabled list? It sounds like the Cubs have put their future in the hands of players that cannot stay on the field. Of course injuries are apart of the game, but betting the farm on players that never play is just bad decision making.

Peace

Hi Jeff,

Whether the Cubs should or should not get rid of injury prone players is not the point. How would the Cardinals fare if they were without Carpenter and Mulder? I don't think they even make the Wild Card. Easier to replace a Rollins or any position player (except for Puljos whose the best hitter on the planet right now) than it is quality starting pitchers.

Most years it take 95 wins to take your Division. Between Mulder and Carpenter you had 35 wins or so. Tough to make up that production with marginal guys.

Well said Rut!!!

The Cubs don't suck?? Where the he** have you been?? Oh, now the injury card has been played. That one has been dealt about as much as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton's race card. Kerry Wood had one good year and one good game with all those K's. He hasn't done jack since but yet all you Cub fans keep holdin' on....cuz you got your ace back from the Braves.

Fox Valley Blue 9: How much longer you gonna hold onto that "cursed" crap. It was never suppose to be your year in '03. If it was the Cubs would've won it. This goat thing is just an excuse to be like the BoSox were before they won. At least their's was a lot more believeable and real than a goat. Are the BoSox still cursed because they didn't win this year? How about the Yankees? Are they cursed by egos and the almighty dollar? Ya know, they haven't won since they acquired all those egos. I was so happy when they didn't win last year because it proved that they couldn't buy a championship after getting A-Rod. Steiney will probably go out and spend more money next year and what will it get him....as far as the Cubs went in the "year that was their's".

Yeah, the Sox won with TEAM. So what if their average is below 300 and so what if they don't have marquee players. The fact is they won. And how many of you would do exactly what A. J. did after striking out. He took advantage of an opportunity. The ball was low and I'm sure some of his teammates yelled for him to go from the dugout. He got away with it. Would you stay on first base just because the ball got away from the catcher? No, it's called taking advantage of the other teams mistakes. Yeah, the ump make the out sign but fact was even he wasn't sure and with all of us being umps would you really know for sure? Check the ball for scuff marks, look at the reaction of the catcher, yeah he probably should have done that but just like I've heard and said many times, one play or call doesn't make a game....It's how you react to that play that matters. How many of you have been in a game, made a bad call or mistake, and then heard from the losing team that you lost it for them. That's BS and you know it.

When I heard Houston's coach complaining about the advantage they have when the roof is closed I knew right then before the game that the Sox were going to win game 3. It's that simple. The players fed off of their leader and if he thought they weren't going to win then they believed it.

One of the things mentioned in the ESPN "You can't blame" episode was how Moises Alou reacted. Don't you think fans and players fed off that? If he didn't throw a fit out there in left then do you think the fans and players may have thought that he never really had a play on the ball? Instead, there was an instant mob reaction towards Bartman. Fact was he wasn't the only one going after the ball. But that's mob mentality. Focus your anger on one person or thing and make that your cause for failure. It's no different than hearing a patient in the hospital blame their excessive weight on an outside source (McDonalds, genetics, being big boned, etc.)

WWTB: How far has respect, love and admiration gotten the Cubs? Sure, they have a hell of a following, but then so does a cult. Like Rut said, keep giving the Tribune your money buddy. They love it.

Jesus Chris Spots, let it go already. I feel years of pentup frustration coming out. Enjoy it already, cause it ain't gonna last!!!

Are the Cubs cursed? Call it what you want. They had their chance in '03 and it got away. That ESPN show you mention was a great show, as was the one about Billy Buck.

You misrepresent the Cubs issues though. Yes, Kerry Wood is the best pitcher in MLB history never to win 14 games. And yes if he comes back healthy, the Wrigley Nation will embrace him. But while the Tribune has done everything ($$$ wise) to try to put a winning team on the field the past five years, they were out to lunch this past year. Clement leaves, Wood and Prior go down, and they did nothing. They have some serious holes going into next year, but they're probably not as far away as you think with a little luck. Oh well, it's water under the bridge now.

As far as the fans go...it's all about supply and demand. Cub fans out number Sox fans at least 4:1 in Chicago, and probably 10:1 nationally. Cubs tickets are a harder buy and if someone doesn't want their tickets, they have 10 buyers lined up. If the Sox had their **** together, they would've built an appealing stadium that would've drawn more fans.

Rut...I wouldn't be talking smack about the Cardinals bud! Great team, but so are the Braves!

You have it backwards. The Red Sox want to be like the Cubs.

1. A curse on the Red Sox was not widely accepted as fact/myth until after the 1986 World Series.

2. The idea that the Sox curse has something to do with Babe Ruth was not fabricated untill 1986 when George Vecsey wrote an article for the NY Times connecting the numerous Red Sox mistakes in the WS, and their previous non WS win seasons to Babe Ruth.

3. The phrase "Curse of the Bambino" was not coined untill 1990 when Dan Shaughnessy wrote a book with that title about the history of the Red Sox.

4. William "Billy Goat" Sianis had bought tickets for him and his pet goat Murphy for game 4 of the 1945 WS.

5. William "Billy Goat" Sianis and his goat Murphy were kicked out of Wrigley Field during game 4 of the 1945 WS becuase the goat was very foul-smelling.

6. William "Billy Goat" Sianis, sent a telegram to William Wrigley, Jr., owner of the Cubs saying (according to Sianis' nephew) "You are going to lose this (1945) World Series and you are never going to go to the World Series again. You are never going to win a World Series again because you insulted my goat."

So which "curse" is more believeable, one invented by the media, or one where a man hexed a team?

Typical Sox Fan. Nothing drives them crazier than the local and National following that the Cubs have.

No they don't suck I merely stated a fact. For the last two seasons the Cubs #1 and #2 pitchers have missed significant playing time. If Buerhle and Garland were gone thats 70 starts and 34 wins that need to be replaced. I don't know of many teams that can overcome that.

The Cardinals have been to the World Series 4 times in my lifetime. How many times has the Cubs been to the World Series in your lifetime?

When we do not make the World Series it is the players that did not come through. When you do not make the World Series, it is some curse. Let it go. Just face it if the Cubs went 0-82, Cubs fans would still go to Wrigley Field and you would be right back he talking about what the Cardinals did not do. Now that the Sox won the WS, instead of being happy, you are concerned about who is first in town. Win a World Series in this Century and we can talk about whose town this is.

Peace

No, you gave away more than 40 homeruns on your corner fielders. You let your #3 Pitcher go before this season and he was in the playoffs, where were the Cubs again? You let go a guy that carried the team for years. I will give you the fact that Sosa did not have the best attitude, but you did not replace his production. You have one of the best managers in the Majors and fans want to get rid of him too. I have listened to this crap all this time I have been here and the Cubs have done nothing but complain when you have good players. You have to have a better excuse than your top two pitchers are down all the time. They have not come through when they were healthy. It is not just their injuries. Just take the fact that your organization had its shot and they blew it. Next year the Cubs will have another bad year and it will be some other excuse as to why you cannot get it done.

Peace

JC, you and I agree on very little, but here is one. Both of us have congratulated the White Sox, their fans and recognize that something special occurred at 35th and Shields this year. We would both have like it to be our Cubbies, but we knew better. J.Rutledge needs to read better. This thread was begun on the premise that the White Sox are not number two in Chicago anymore. Again, we both know better. If they need that fantasy to give them validity, let them have it. Your point about the Braves was almost as damning as mine about the Buffalo Bills. Taking the hottest woman home from the bar is only half the deal. The Cards and Bills fell asleep when they got there.

The Sox have their moment and will take some momentum into the 2006 season. Reinsdorf will raise the ticket prices and feel content with half full stands. Meanwhile, the Cubs will have full stands, an above average team (but still not playoff caliber) and throngs of fans across the country. Yes, the Cubs have a cultlike following. What do you think the old Montreal, Tampa Bay, Seattle, Arizona, Kansas City, Minnesota or Milwaukee would give to have that same love?

Kudos to the Sox. Cubs fans changed hats and rooted for the boys in black. A few years ago, White Sox fans behaved like babies when the Cubs went to the NLCS. Imagine what would have happened if this were the other way around. Sox fans would be cryng that if they had a ball park like Wrigley and played against the National Laegue all of the time they would have won too. It's getting old and we don't care. Cubs and Sox fans are like oil and water. We may prefer Chardonnay over Malt Liquor, but we still appreciate good baseball.

Trick or Treat Gents!
 

Save it Rut!!! You and I will go toe to toe on 12/15. You can tell me what it's like to win 200+ games over two years and have nothing to show for it. I'll tell you what it's like to win 150 and have the same to show. I'll buy the Sammie's.

And oh by the way...letting the O's pick up Sammy was the trade of my lifetime. That slob we had in RF this year almost tripled Sosa's output.

OK, that's it...I'm Cubbied out. How bout those Bengals???

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Originally posted by bluezebra Quote: I remember going to Old Comiskey Park when the Yankees (DiMaggio) and the BoSox (Williams) were in town, and they wouldn't even open the upper decks, because the payers outnumbered the fans in the stands. The Sox in those days were pathetic because the Comiskeys were the cheapest owners in baseball, and wouldn't sign high-priced players. For years, the only real MLB players they had were Luke Appling and Ted Lyons. Bob Dang, you're old!:D

I was a teenager when the Cubs won their last pennant, and they've won four in my lifetime. My Dad took me to my first game in 1936, the year before there were bleachers and ivy.

Bob

while being a huge kerry wood fan, i didnt know he never won over 14 games. i guess that makes me less of a kerry wood fan than i thought. thats a good (not really "good") stat jeff

Brian,
Except for one year when he had huge firepower behind him, he is like many other Cubs pitchers. You can't lose 1-0 too often without wondering what is happening. Kerry had terrific stuff, but has been injured every year that he has been in the league. His 12-6 deuce was insane, but his arm can't unleash it anymore. We can thank a high school coach that let him throw 140-180 pitches a game and half of them were curves. Dusty allowed it to continue in the Bigs. Kerry has never been an economical pitcher.

Tony LaRussa said it best in 3 Nights in August:
"One of the three different Woods will take the mound tonight. There's Wild Wood, who has no idea where any of his pitches is going and walks too many batters to be effective. There is Controlled Wood, who consciously tries to keep the ball around the strike zone and not walk batters. Then there's Effectively Wild Wood, with enough pitches in and around the strike zone to make him consistent but a few every now and then where he's simply not sure where they're going to go."

It's a great book and has a tremendous amount of game insight. It takes you close to the game, in a way few umpires ever recognize. Check it out.

Re: Trick or Treat Gents!
 

We were in a World Series, something the Cubs could not get to. :D I will look forward to that conversation. I will wear my Cardinal's hat so you will not forget.

Hee Hee.

Peace

LDUB,

Don't insult the BoSox fans by saying they want to be like the Cubs. Even if the curse wasn't accepted until 1986 it was a "curse" long before that, longer than that goat thing. How can the media invent the BoSox curse and not the Cubs curse? They were both perpetuated by the media. If you and the other Wrigley faithfuls want this thing to change then stop believing it's true. I guess the ChiSox fans could've held onto something like..let's say the 1919 Black Sox.

Fox Valley Blue: I never said Kerry Wood was the best of anything because he's not. Like I said, he had one good year with one great game and nothing since. He's too inconsistent both with pitching and injuries.

Listen Cub fans....you keep sticking to the fact that the Cubs have and will outdraw the Sox and as much as I hate to admit it you're right but the bottom line is you can outdraw us as long as you want but that mere fact doesn't outdraw winning a world championship. Bottom line is, we want something you have, recognition, and you want something we have, a trophy (with temporary recognition).

One more thing FVB. You either do or you don't, there is no such thing as try.

From J.Rutledge -

"We were in a World Series, something the Cubs could not get to. I will look forward to that conversation. I will wear my Cardinal's hat so you will not forget"

When were you on the team. I looked and didn't see your picture. The Cubs were in the Worls Series, albeit it a very long time ago, but your logic is faulty again. Lastly, I don't think you'll need to remind JC of anything. His memory is very good.

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We have many things that Sox fans will never have.

1) A ball park that is the envy of the league.
2) A ball park that is fan friendly and safe.
3) A team that doesn't look like 50cent clones.
4) A team with a fan base across the country.
5) A major newspaper and television station that promotes even lackluster teams.
6) The dream...

White Sox fans have:

1) A manager they wanted to fire last year.
2) A reputation for drunk and disorderly conduct.
3) A Championship trophy, but no satisfaction and national acceptance.

The whole world watched a fourteen game lead dwindle away. From New York, to Boston and Cleveland, the world laughed at your team. Even their victory was tarnished with bad calls. That is how they will be remembered in 2005, not for leading wire to wire or sweeping the Astros. Champs who needed four outs to win. Yes, I would like to see the Cubs win a Series before I'm gone, but not at the risk of having contempt heaped upon the franchise. How many sports shows outside of Chicago are comparing this team to any of the greatest? That answer is the same as recent Cubs World Series appearances.

Enjoy the moment. It's already f-a--d---i----n-----g.

Why can't I say that? You said the direct opposite. What is the difference?

Do you understand what a curse is? Here is the definition:
Sianis sent a telegram to Wrigley saying: "You are going to lose this (1945) World Series and you are never going to go to the World Series again. You are never going to win a World Series again because you insulted my goat."

He wished misfortune on the Cubs. That is a curse. Did Babe Ruth wish misfortune on the Red Sox when he was traded? If not, then it ain't a curse.

The media came up with the idea that since Ruth left the Sox, they have had bad luck. With the Cubs, a man wished misfortune on the team. The media didn't come up with what Sianis did.

I know one thing; the White Sox have been to the World Series more times in your life time than the Cubs have.

Keep trying to hold on to the "Wrigley Field" card. Wow, you pay money so that the owner of your team gives a lot of money to a bunch of players that cannot perform. It must be great to be a Cubs fan. :rolleyes:

Peace

You know one thing...congratulations! Here's your trophy.

What does this have anything to do with whether or not the Sox will remain the red headed step child of the Chicago Baseball Family. You can collect all of the hardware you want, but if no one watches, cares or notices it is all for naught. The Cubs will always be the favored team in the Windy City and suburbs. A great ball park and a team with character, not characters (Does anyone even know what Ozzie says half of the time? The Score and ESPN have a field day with hs sound bites.) tames this nation. I've been all around the world and see Yankee and Cubs caps on smiling faces. The team with the most WS wins and the team with none in almost a century - why is it that they are so beloved? Like you said, it's great to be a Cubs fan!

I've been to games in 24 major league cities. I've been to Wrigley once, in 2003. The Cubs were stinking up the joint and I noticed something very interesting -- nobody was boo-ing, nobody was in a foul mood. Actually, it seemed as though nobody was really paying attention to the game. As a passionate baseball fan, this attitude (in the box seats -- I would hope the bleachers are a different story) befuddled me.

You can brag about the national following the Cubs have all you want -- most of it is due to the Superstation WGN factor, but you should realize this -- if fans come when the team doesn't win, what 's the incentive for the Cubs to bring a WS trophy home?

And as for ballparks, I'd rather go to one of the newer ones, myself.

I went to my first Cubs game about 4 years ago. This was before Dusty Baker was there and I Pirates were in town. It was amazing how no one was paying attention to the game. No one was talking about why the team was bad or complaining during bad plays. There were 3 Cardinals fans in Cardinals gear and they were talking more baseball than anyone else around. People were on their cell phones talking about things unrelated to the game. People were there to socialize and not watch baseball.

I just find it interesting that all the Cubs fans are here to defend Wrigley Field but do not want to defend why their team really sucks. It is pathetic that Cubs fans still are talking about who is the most loved in the town and they have no trophy at their stadium. Then they have to nerve to talk about calls that were made as more justification for their futility as a Cubs fan. They allowed an incident with their own fan rattles them during a critical point of a game and the Sox should feel upset because some calls went their way. We will be at this same point next year and the Cubs will have the same fate. No championships for another year. :D

Peace

Common refrain that I hear. At Wrigley Field noone is watching the game, it's nothing but a big beer garden etc. etc. Baseball is big business and they could care less who is buying tickets. Don't think for one moment that the White Sox wouldn't love to have a location like Wrigley Field especially if they were guranteed attendance of 3 million plus.

Here's another reason why Wrigley is so popular. What's the highest compliment you can pay to a women at a Sox's game?

Nice tooth!!!!!!!!!!! Just joking and having some fun.

It doesn't drive this Sox fan crazy one bit. Wrigley Field is a tourist attraction, simply put. The people who go there don't know what's going on. They're there for the socializing and beer. If you turn the lights on at Wrigley Field on a Friday night in January, I guarantee you the place would be packed within an hour. Sixty minutes later those present would still have no clue that a game wasn't occurring.

I find it amusing, though, that the Cubs fans keep bringing up this attendance or "popularity" thing. Personally, you can keep it. I'd take a World Series championship any day! Last time I looked, that was the ultimate goal of a major league baseball team anyway (well, save for one it appears).

Oh, and "always a Cubs town"? I wouldn't be so presumptuous, my friend. If the White Sox maintain at least a few winning seasons, including a few post-season berths here and there, the Cubs will be relegated to that "tourist attraction" status on the north side.

For the record, I'm not one of these anti-Cubs Sox fans who go trolling around; rather, I'm just trying to employ a little common sense and practicality into these otherwise Cubs/Sox debates.

Where are we? Well, we're in school or at work and can't make all the games. Unlike the same unemployed, mostly homosexual (with apologies to my gay friends--I just HAD to get in a Lee Elia moment here) folk who populate Wrigley Field, we actually have things to do other than spend our entire waking lives half-drunk wondering why men in tight pants are running around dropping this little round white ball and throwing it all over the grass.

Re: Sox Fans, You're Still Number Two
 

What's with this cursed crap? That's an excuse. Face it: you guys aren't cursed. You simply suck.

"Always," J.C.? Come now, even YOU aren't that foolish and presumptuous to believe that. One World Series championship does not a legacy make, but multiple post-season appearances will relegate the Cubs to their proper place in this town, that being "the other team."

All this Cubs/Sox debating is stupid. There's no need to even discuss anything. All White Sox fans need to say is a simple irrefutable fact: "The White Sox won the World Series."

Case closed.

Re: Trick or Treat Gents!
 

F*** the Bengals, overrated as they are. My Steelers kicked their *** last week anyway. :D

I'd take a World Series championship over a packed park, TV audience, newspaper, or any of your other above trivialities. You guys remain content in the asinine belief that popularity, attendance, or other peripheral things makes a difference, for when it comes down to it, the World Series is the ultimate goal.


Oh, puhleeze! They'll easily be remembered as the team that dominated in the post-season like few others; as a team without a single, egotistical idiot who grabbed the spotlight from his teammates; as a team that so many people swore destiny blessed; as a team with pitching so effective that it ranks among Baseball's greatest playoff staff ever; as a team that won the 2005 World Series.

Jealousy and excuse-making isn't going to make your ridiculous comments any more accurate.

Now, work on getting your team into the playoffs so the North and South can meet in the World Series. ;)

Does anyone even know what Dusty DOES half the time?

As someone who originally wasn't an Ozzie fan, I'd take him over those lifeless pinheads we've had before (does anyone even remember Jerry Manuel?). Ozzie brings life and fun back to a franchise that could have used it years ago. You folks on the north side ought to try it, maybe as soon as Dusty's done destroying his pitching staff.

A week or so ago (and I'm paraphrasing) Ozzy was talking to the media and the subject of Dusty Baker came up. Ozzy was basically saying that Baker, when hired, was looked upon as the best thing since "sliced bread" and now he's stupid and doesn't know what he's doing. Ozzy, goes on to say, someday you'll (referring to the media) think the same about me and try to run me out of town and will have fun doing it.

Ozzy is currently "the flavor of the month" as soon as things go south (as they inevitably do) he'll be ridiculed and made fun of and eventually fired which happens to 99% of all managers.

One more thing you might want to call Jerry up and ask him what would you rather have. 82 dates of the park filled to 99.9% of capacity or half empty (Blue Collar guys and gals of course) seats except when the Sox play the Cubs. Jerry's a bottom line and I think you know the answer.

It's going to be interesting to see if Jerry is going to over pay for Paulie. What with Paulie being the most attractive free agent out there and being seriously pursued by a number of deep pocket teams.

This thread was started by a someone saying that since the Sox won, they will finally get the respect that they deserve.

If you had been paying attention, Ozzie said this because after years of defending Dusty, who had been criticized by Cubs fans and media alike, Dusty turns around and tells people that if the Cardinals or White Sox were in the World Series, there's "no way in hell" that he'd support either one of them. Real classy, Dusty. As a fellow member of our association and a longtime Cubs fan told me, "Dusty's a tool, and yes, a classless idiot to boot."

So then it's better to have a park filled to capacity all the time than to have it half empty with a World Series championship? Unbelievable. No wonder you guys won't ever amount to anything more than some tourist hangout for the unemployed, Wrigleyville boys, and other mindless drunkards that frequent that baseball shrine.

I said it before, I'll say it again, I'd take a park that's empty all season long over one that's packed if the former comes with a World Series championship. Anyone who would settle for something else is simply a fool.

1. I don't believe Dusty ever said anything about beinng for or against the Sox. Cardinals yes because he and LaRussa hate each other.

2. Reading is a skill. What do you think (not what you or I want) Jerry would want? A half empty park or one filled 99.9% capacity? Jerry's a cold blooded bottom line guy just like all the other owner's in baseball. He might just show you this side of him if Paulie proves to be too expensive. I think Jerry would welcome with open arms the tourists, Wrigleyville boys, drunkards etc. as long as they buy a ticket.

This is big business the owners could give a s@@t about what you or I want.

This thread was started by a someone saying that since the Sox won, they will finally get the respect that they deserve. [/B][/QUOTE]

Luke, I agree. And everyone knows that they will need to win 2-3 WS's before they get that credit...they're just that irrelevant in the public eye. Kinda like the Patsies in the NFL...no individual superstars, and it took three titles before everyone recognized them for what they are.

And Randy.....save that crap, OK? I'll call ya and we'll finish it over a Goose Island.

I have the Lee Elia rant as an .mp3. I break down laughing every time I hear it.

Quote:

Originally said by Lee Elia: "The MF don't even work. That's why they're out at the f***ing game. They ought to go out and get a f***ing job and find out what it's like to go out and earn a f***ing living. 85% of the f***ing world's working; the other 15 come out here. A f***ing playground for the c***s***ers."

Classic. Just classic.

"You can brag about the national following the Cubs have all you want -- most of it is due to the Superstation WGN factor, but you should realize this -- if fans come when the team doesn't win, what 's the incentive for the Cubs to bring a WS trophy home?"

Thanks Rich. That's my point. Maybe now they'll believe someone with more that 2000 posts.

Luke: Yes I started this thread with the premise that the Sox will finally get the respect they deserve. I mainly said that to stir the pot cuz I knew it would piss you Cub fans off. Now back to respect. It has been said in this thread that the Sox won't really achieve that respect until they win a few more like the Pats and I can't argue with that. Heck, I just drove back from Mesa this morning and all ESPN radio could talk about was the BoSox and Theo. Look at it this way, if the ChiSox didn't win this year this thread would've never been started. The Sox fans and the team have had our 15 minutes of fame/respect and yes it is fading fast but I'd rather take that 15 minutes over admiration and a place to drink beer any day. Because someone or something can and will take Wrigley from you some day. I don't have any idea when but I do know one thing, some Cub fan will respond to this by saying....There's a typical Sox fan envious of our field. Busch stadium is the latest one to go....who will be next?

And for God's sake let go of this Sianis the goat thing. Well, our's is a REAL curse and Boston's curse was a made up curse. That's why they won and we haven't. Yep, that's our excuse. We will NEVER win anything unless that Sianis guy recants his telegraphed smelly goat curse. If the NBC show Friends was based in Chicago instead of New York I have an idea for a song in the coffeeshop/bar called Murphy's Bleachers....smelly goat, smelly goat, why have you cursed us?

Sorry, was that too mean. I know how us Sox fans can be mean. Matter of fact, I'm thinking of going out and pulling a knife on some Mariner's fan right now cuz that's what we all do. Or better yet, have a beer on me for another Cubs "wait til next year, year".

OK, we've come full circle and have collective buy-in. Can we move on???

I'm thirsty...who wants to meet me at the Ram for a Growler? We'll talk Bears.

2000 posts? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? You keep justifying things with the wrong facts. Rich is a nice guy, but how many of those past posts had anything to do with what we are discussing? If he was an expert on Cubs/White Sox relations, I could accept that argument. Do you choose your surgeon by how many cars he owns? That's the same logic.

WGN is a superstation. How does watching the game on TV have anything to do with filling the stadium or maintaining a loyal fan base? If you are watching it on TV, that means an awful lot of people aren't at the park. The only way it gets on is if sponsors pay the ad revenue. It sounds like a whole lot o' Cubs fans are out there. The White Sox are also broadcast on WGN, but I don't seem to see the same reaction.

Doesn't TNT carry the Braves (or is it WTBS). That is a superstation too. Which team is more popular contrywide? ...worldwide??? One team has unbelievable talent that keeps winning for Cox. The other is a perennial bridesmaid. The Cubs still own Chicago. The Cubs convention sold out in fourteen minutes last year. The only Sox Fest that will sell out will be this year. Reinsdorf will hike the prices to rape the fans too.

Life isn't fair, the Cubs are usually average and better liked than a more talented team just to their south. The White Sox had a great year and did something only three other teams have done - led wire to wire and swept the Series. If the Cubs did that, how many White Sox fans would be celebrating the accomplishment? Stop fooling yourself, almost every Cubs fan here said something nice about the White Sox. Who started this thread and what was the tone? That's right, someone seeking redemption for living in the shadows for a very long time. That speaks volumes!

Nope, not an expert on Chicago baseball. Just commenting on your "nationwide" fan base comment. WGN plays a big part. The Braves are one of the more popular teams nationwide because of TBS, but the local draw is crap. That's what happens with 14 consecutive division titles, though -- winning is expected.

Doesn't matter to me if someone has 2000 posts or 20 posts as long as they can write and think.

Relax dude. The 2000 post thing was about experience...something that my 80 posts on this board won't buy. Rich just reiterated something that I said many pages back. Nothing more, nothing less.

Well, FVB is right. How 'bout them Bears in first place and just above 500. Last week they were the best allowing the least amount of points. If only they had some offense to go with that defense.

Wait a minute.....I think I just started another firestorm with Packer fans. At least Luke, FVB, WhatWasThatBlue, gordo, Rut, UMP25 and I will be on the same side this time.

dont forget me (season ticket holder)

my mom is a packer fan, dad is a bears fan, not sure how that worked out.

Like your Mom, love your Dad!

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

My apologies Bri, hadn't heard from you in a while.