I agree with most on here that players and managers should be ejected for cursing at umpires, but what is the punishment for the umpires using the same words toward managers or players?

Some of the arguments that I see involve just as much or even more colorful language from the umpires.

Do you have an example?

I think it would depend on the level. I do not think anyone has said that Edmonds or LaRussa were ejected just because of their language, I think they were referring to what they were called. Edmonds called Cuzzi a name, it does not matter if a curse word was used or not. At least it does not to me. I think it also matters what level we are talking about. The Major Leagues is quite different than LL.

In my state at the HS level if any umpire/official can be written up for their actions. So at least in my state there are possible repercussions of the actions of an umpire/official if they use inappropriate language. I am sure anyone could contact an assignor or a league if an umpire/official used curse words as well.

Peace

I would never suggest that any amateur umpire use any of the "seven words you can't say on radio" in any manner in any game or contest.

In the pro game, as certain videos have shown, it's accepted, if not expected. What matters is how that word is directed.

With the exception of MLB umpires, I feel that there is never a time that we as officials should act that unprofessionally and respond with profane comments.

In the two associations I belong to, you would be immediately sanctioned if an allegation about the use of profane language was substanstiated.

If a coach swears at you, dump him fast and hard!

There is no need to respond in kind to his bull&h1t. If you do, you just lose respect as an official.

Tim.

I never pay the least slight attention to coaches yelling from the dugout or from the coaching boxes In fact, I have never had an ejection. I know that they can get emotional, and I give them a few seconds to calm down. Of course, I haven't had one go over the edge verbally. There were a few I could have ejected for their actions.

In fact, I've done this a few times to bench jockeys when I feel they have crossed the line.

I call time. Walk over to the dugout. I say calmly, "It ends right now or I'm going to eject the person I think is responsible. You might want to want to get somebody ready in the bullpen". Not that I would do that of course, but it really quites them down a lot.

Another method I have used when I have a coach yelling from the dugout. I stop, take off my mask, step in front of home plate, and tell the coach, "You'll have to yell a lot louder please, I'm hard of hearing, and I don't read lips." Then I brush the plate with my rear end facing their dugout. It let's them know they won't be getting anywhere with that today.

Anyway, I'm in my happy place when I'm on a ballfield. I refuse to let somebody ruin it for me and everybody else out there. There will probably be alot of people out there that don't agree with me. However, I haven't had any complaints that I know of. The coaches that know me best, know that at least they have an umpire out there that will hustle, and is not too vain to try to get the call right.

Seven words you can't say on TV
 

It's TV, not radio...and the list is down to six, because if I remember right, one of the words was suck. If you run anyone in 2005 because they say "that call sucked," well...

Meanwhile, those others depend totally on the context...generally, if it's preceeded by a "you," I'm locked and loaded and ready to run somebody...

Lets all join hands and prepare for a group hug. Cum by Ah, my lord, Cum by Ah. All together now.

Hey blue,could you kindly move your "rear," I can't see home plate. Thank you Blue. Gag#@$$#$$$burp@#$%^&*

Re: Seven words you can't say on TV
 

Suck is not one of the seven dirty words, but is a part of one of them :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_dirty_words

Could I get a translator? I don't understand gibberish.

jicecone,

I also picked up right away that he sweeps the plate with his "rear end."

Your tongue firmly planted in cheek comment did not go unapreciated by me!

Tim.

First off, forget MLB. Things are a lot different there. Managers cuss umpires and the umpires cuss right back. This is not a side job or a weekend thing. This is where they earn their living and arguments are part of the “show”. The other thing to keep in mind is in MLB, you are dealing with adults all around. So don't try to compare the weekend, youth or LL umpire to MLB umpires!

We amateur umpires deal with youth in one form or another. We are supposed to be setting an example as responsible adults. The funny thing is that when umpires break the rules, who throws them out?

So if the umpire starts cussing who deals with him? It is up to his league, his association or the tournament director.

What is the penalty? That is up to the governing individuals. In my association, there is progressive discipline in place for instances like this.

Another thing to consider is when you move up in age and level, you will tend to tolerate things differently. An 11 year old saying “BS!” to your called strike 3 may earn a seat on the bench for the duration. A 25 year old simply earns a smile from behind the mask with a hearty “Thank you” from me.

Re: Re: Seven words you can't say on TV
 

You are correct. In fact, one of the regulars was kind enough to send me a .wav of Mr. Carlin.

Put a "You" in front of any of them and I have to do an ejection report.

I agree....that if I were a rat, seeing this would shut my mouth real quick :D

Oh, my.... shocking! Not the "brushing the plate with my rear end", but the "I have never had an ejection". Oh, my...

I'd love to be a coach with him working.

never ejected anyone?
 

I believe that if you have never had an ejection, you either haven't been doing your job, or you haven't umpired very many games. It seems like you take a whole lot of crap off of coaches before you even warn them.

You actually walk over to their dugout? Any bench jockeying starts, I usually wag my index finger at them while shaking my head "no", they usually get the message. If they don't, somebody's leaving. My ejections have gone way down over the years, as coaches know better than to act that way in my games.

I'll bet they get a kick out of you pointing your butt at them too!

The seven words are taboo - now. Back in the 70s, we had no problems with telling a D1 pitcher to shut the f*ck up.

George's explanation to two-way words is the funniest part of his routine. A two-way word is one with a common meaning and a dirty meaning as well. Like prick.

As Carlin says, you can prick your finger, but you can't finger your prick.

Carl, shouldn't that have been, "You can prick your finger, but you can't finger your p###k"? :)

JJ

Our Nanny doesn't recognize the nasty meaning of "prick."

But you sure can't say f##k.

enough already
 

OK...enough of that other.

Here's a question: If I'm a coach at, say, Katy High School (not that Tom would ever do that) and I come up to you and yell (paraphrasing the late Mr. Merrill), "Hey, cough sufferer, that's the worst MF call I've ever seen," you're not going to run me?

Re: Bigotry?
 

You thought wrong.

(The post in which the quote above originally appeared has been delted, as have several other posts in this thread.)

Not Ripping?
 

If someone is going to take a sentence and twist it, what would you call it? Satire? Irony? Comedic Wit?

If they don't like the way I do things, fine. Keep your wise remarks to yourself.

It offends me that you chose to delete all of my last post except for the one sentence.

No, I don't think it is all about ripping people. There are just a few that seem to take a post, and try to make that person the butt of their silly little jokes. Guess what, junior high is long past.

Now you know why I never have posted. Have I missed a call before? Sure, every once in a while. However, I don't have any grand illusions about my ability. My goal is to get it right, EVEN IF I HAVE TO ASK FOR HELP FROM MY PARTNERS.

If the time comes when I have to eject somebody, I won't give it a second thought. I don't like being patronized. I certainly am not a bigot. So Bob, as a moderater, you should know the pendalum swings both ways. My mistake was lowering myself to their standards. I apologize and thank you for your time.

Re: Not Ripping?
 

Your last post offended almost everyone. I repeat: You're missing your milieu. You belong over at McGriff's.

Re: never ejected anyone?
 

No, I don't take a lot of crap. And you know why? That is taken care of at the pre-game meeting. I call a good game. I don't have rabbit ears like some people. I respect the coaches, and they respect me. The coaches in Texas don't want to get ejected because it creates a big hassle for them. Last but not least, like a stated in my original post, I'm having so much fum out there, it's hard to piss me off. Now, don't think I won't eject someone if I have to.

Correct me if I'm wrong. If you have a lot of ejections, does that mean you lost control somewhere or maybe you are calling a crappy game? Do the coaches not respect you? It's got to something.

Re: Re: Not Ripping?
 

You have a nanny? What does she do? Change your diaper? I guess your brand of humor if G-Rated? Excuse me, but I don't know what MILIEU means. I is a bigot, remember. You know how ignorant we is. Leave it to you O' Mighty Papa C. of the Internet to judge me without even knowing the slightest thing about me. Sorry, I woke you up from your nap. Keep those cards and letters coming in. Look forward to hearing from you soon.

Re: Re: never ejected anyone?
 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by PWL

Quote:

Originally posted by SanDiegoSteve Quote: Originally posted by PWL I never pay the least slight attention to coaches yelling from the dugout or from the coaching boxes In fact, I have never had an ejection. I call time. Walk over to the dugout. I say calmly, "It ends right now or I'm going to eject the person I think is responsible. You might want to want to get somebody ready in the bullpen". Not that I would do that of course, but it really quites them down a lot. No, I don't take a lot of crap. And you know why? That is taken care of at the pre-game meeting. Now, don't think I won't eject someone if I have to. Correct me if I'm wrong. If you have a lot of ejections, does that mean you lost control somewhere or maybe you are calling a crappy game? Do the coaches not respect you? It's got to something.

What do you say in your meeting to keep the coaches off of you later, maybe I can pick up a pointer.

You haven't ejected one yet, so how do you know you would?

Okay, you are wrong, so I am correcting you. I never said that I have a lot of ejections, I said I have even less now, because coaches know I won't take a lot of BS, but I never had that many to start with. I have never ejected a coach, or player, who didn't absolutely deserve to be run.

Re: Re: Re: never ejected anyone?
 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SanDiegoSteve

Quote:

Originally posted by PWL Quote: Originally posted by SanDiegoSteve Quote: Originally posted by PWL I never pay the least slight attention to coaches yelling from the dugout or from the coaching boxes In fact, I have never had an ejection. I call time. Walk over to the dugout. I say calmly, "It ends right now or I'm going to eject the person I think is responsible. You might want to want to get somebody ready in the bullpen". Not that I would do that of course, but it really quites them down a lot. No, I don't take a lot of crap. And you know why? That is taken care of at the pre-game meeting. Now, don't think I won't eject someone if I have to. Correct me if I'm wrong. If you have a lot of ejections, does that mean you lost control somewhere or maybe you are calling a crappy game? Do the coaches not respect you? It's got to something. What do you say in your meeting to keep the coaches off of you later, maybe I can pick up a pointer. You haven't ejected one yet, so how do you know you would? Okay, you are wrong, so I am correcting you. I never said that I have a lot of ejections, I said I have even less now, because coaches know I won't take a lot of BS, but I never had that many to start with. I have never ejected a coach, or player, who didn't absolutely deserve to be run.

Actually, I lay down my set of ground rules before the game. What I expect out of the coaches and the players. I tell a coach if he has player getting out of line he needs to take care of it or I will. I tell the coaches not to call time and question balls and strikes, what they can appeall and cannot If they need to come out on the field, call time and let the head coach come out. I let them know I'm not going to another umpire just because they want me to.

I have been very fornunate with the coaches and players I have umpired. I have never had a complaint to my association. Just like you say, once they know you, they get used to you.

I have had a lot of experienced coaches at the higher levels and that helps. What I don't understand is why I have to take crap off umpires on the forum.

Remember, try to have a good time. Everybody has enough stress in their life as it is!!!

PWL, In 20 years I have never had a season that someone, has not been ejected. NEVER!!!! And I have averaged anywhere from 50 - 175 games per year, during that period. From LL through D2 college and men's semi pro leagues, I can honestly say there was NEVER, a season that some one didn't get asked to leave.

I would guess that the high was about 8, and the low, 1.

But in all do respect sir, the forum finds your claim, (well maybe i will speak only for mysel), to have never ejected a coach or other, somewhat VERY VERY VERY hard to believe.

Could you enlighten us with your credentials. it would be most helpful?

If I am wrong about this , please correctme, but I would still, like to hear your credentials.

[Edited by jicecone on Oct 19th, 2005 at 08:55 PM]

Re: Re: Re: Re: never ejected anyone?
 

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Quote:

Originally posted by PWL I never pay the least slight attention to coaches yelling from the dugout or from the coaching boxes In fact, I have never had an ejection. I call time. Walk over to the dugout. I say calmly, "It ends right now or I'm going to eject the person I think is responsible. You might want to want to get somebody ready in the bullpen". Not that I would do that of course, but it really quites them down a lot.

What I don't understand is why I have to take crap off umpires on the forum.
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First, trust me, you don't know what crap is yet.:D

Second, explain why you would threaten the coach with something that of course, you would not do? You never want to tell the coach the old "one more word" line, especially if you aren't really going to back it up with action. That's like when Bugs Bunny keeps drawing the line in the dirt for Yosimite Sam.

I swear, I'm just asking. I'm the last person here to be giving anyone "crap".

Re: Re: Re: Not Ripping?
 

If Hitler remarks are somehow humorous,I must not have a
sense of humor.Count me as glad if that's the case.
Where I come from,anyone who makes a comment such as yours
shows what type of person he is.One does not need to
know anything about that person to understand. If that's
your idea of funny,I feel like I know you already.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Not Ripping?
 

I've read your posts, too. Your another one from the Peanut Gallery. Your just another Internet blowhard. Get over yourself!!!!!

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Not Ripping?
 

Better a blowhard than a bigoted a$$. I've said my peace,I'm done.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: never ejected anyone?
 

First, trust me, you don't know what crap is yet.:D

Second, explain why you would threaten the coach with something that of course, you would not do? You never want to tell the coach the old "one more word" line, especially if you aren't really going to back it up with action. That's like when Bugs Bunny keeps drawing the line in the dirt for Yosimite Sam.

I swear, I'm just asking. I'm the last person here to be giving anyone "crap".


[/B][/QUOTE] For the last freakin' time. Umpires was plural. That means more than one. I didn't threaten anyone. If you don't like what I do. TOUGH. Go back back to watching the Cartoon Network.
Peace Out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Re: Re: Not Ripping?
 

Agree- along with the hypocritical bigots that call people "fags" too.

McGriffs is the place for all of them.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Not Ripping?
 

So you admit to being a blowhard. I never admitted to being a bigot. Like Papa C. says computers leave footprints.

I once again, ask for you to give us your experience and credentials, so that we may be able to better understand where you are coming from?

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: never ejected anyone?
 

For the last freakin' time. Umpires was plural. That means more than one. I didn't threaten anyone. If you don't like what I do. TOUGH. Go back back to watching the Cartoon Network.
Peace Out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 [/B][/QUOTE]

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. You don't go talking to me like that, bud, you understand? I was merely saying that you haven't experienced real crap yet. I directly quoted your implied threat to a coach, that if the
yapping didn't stop, you were going to do XYZ. Then you said you would not really do it. I asked a simple question, very repectfully, without any sarcasm at all. I seriously want to know: Why do you tell a coach you will do something, and not be willing to back it up? You could give me the courtesy of an answer. I even swore to you I was just asking, so why did you get pissed at me. I don't get it. Could you wrap your apology around a simple answer please? Thank you.

Cum Ba Ya

Edit for spelling and punctuation

[Edited by SanDiegoSteve on Oct 19th, 2005 at 10:34 PM]

Re: Re: Re: Not Ripping?
 

I certainly agree with you. It's one of the few intelligent comments I've ever heard you make.

Bravo!

Re: Re: Re: Re: Not Ripping?
 

Great.

Bye-bye.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: never ejected anyone?
 

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. You don't go talking to me like that, bud, you understand? I was merely saying that you haven't experienced real crap yet. I directly quoted your implied threat to a coach, that if the
yapping didn't stop, you were going to do XYZ. Then you said you would not really do it. I asked a simple question, very repectfully, without any sarcasm at all. I seriously want to know: Why do you tell a coach you will do something, and not be willing to back it up. You could give me the courtesy of an answer. I even swore to you I was just asking, so why did you get pissed at me. I don't get it. Could you wrap your apology around a simple answer please. Thank you.

Cum Ba Ya [/B][/QUOTE] If you want an apology, you'll be waiting a long time, Bud. Sarcasim, Bugs Bunny drawing a line in the sand? What kind of remark is that? Oh yeah, don't think I didn't catch the (cum) by ya part either. Actually, I'm very polite if I go over to the dugout. I have only had to do that but twice. I've been called a stupid ***, in so many words, for doing what I do on this forum. Hell, I've been treated worse here than on any ballfield.

I only get to do about 40-50 games a year at the high school level for the last fifteen years, max. I've worked with different partners who have different demeaners and styles. I didn't say I haven't worked a game where no one has been ejected. I haven't ejected anyone. No, my partners don't do it for me. I get control of the situation. That's not to say I haven't put a coach back in their place either. I get stern when I have to. I have worked with the same coaches over the years, so I have had a lot fewer problems. I'm no one's doormat. I don't intend to take crap off some the posters on this website, either.

Remember, you came out with your guns smoking first. Go back and read your posts. You made it sound like I had no idea which way they ran around the bases.

Let me break this down for you, please. Bugs Bunny kept drawing a new line saying "I dare you to cross this line", then the guy does, and he draws another line, and another, etc. C'mon, have a freakin' sense of humor. I had even put a smiley in so you would know I was ribbing you. If you get this mad in your games, I'm surprised you haven't melted down and thrown out a whole bench! I really just wanted an answer, because you told a coach you would do something, and then said you wouldn't really do it, you just said it. I just asked why you would do that. That is the ONLY answer I wanted back from you. I have very respectfully addressed you in my posts. And Cum Ba Ya is a song which is sang around the campfire, and this is how it is spelled, I believe. It is a song for people to come together in worship. It asks for God to draw near. You must have your mind in the gutter if you thought I meant anything dirty from it. Sick!

I do have a sense of humor. I just don't think being patroninzing of someone is funny. Why don't say what you mean, and mean what you say. If the bench jockeying shuts up, no reason to toss anyone, anyway, right. It's more of an attention getter than a threat. I could just restrict someone to the bench. It doesn't have to be the pitcher per say. I've just used it twice, in certain situations. Where the teams have gotten too rowdy, and the fans are loud and fiesty. The best term I could come up since Carl proclaimed that I'm a bigot. I've done that as BU one of the times. Look, if it bothers so many people, they don't ump with me anyway. I've never seen anyone from here in action that I know of. Nor do I care to.

Hey, they've been blowing calls in the playoffs. Makes me feel better about myself. If you will notice, I use the word coach not rat. Class is dismissed. If you need extra tutoring let me know Remember, it ain't nothin' till you call it.

The tag line is our association motto, borrowed for my use here. If you are only working 40 to 50 HS games a year, then you won't be tutoring me any time soon, as you have a lot of catching up to do!:D Yeah, you are right about them blowing some calls, that's probably what set me off with my insane ramblings!!! In fact it was, my 10 out of 10 remark. I amend it to 999 out of 1000. There.:D

Why would you? Do you really care? You know I've been labeled a bigot by the Big Double C himself. I made an earlier post explaining why I did what I did. Bob Jenkins deleted it down to the one sentence that made look like a fool. Now it seems like I'm a liar on top of it. What have I got to gain. Tell me.


Actually, I thought your first post was funny. Guess I could have phrased it better where some of the less educated without a really firm grasp on the English language could understand. Then the same old pack started to pile on. Especially, the one person whose posts I've read in the past is famous for. Does he ever have an original thought. I quit reading anything with his name on it a long time ago.

I may have been politically incorrect, but I'm not a bigot. They can rant on about that all they to. Until they have some solid proof, let them be the Internet Police. Like I say, people make mistakes. I just can't understand why you are so interested in me. I think you just painted the wrong picture in your head. I don't take myself too serious. If Bubba wants to coach when I umpire, he's more than welcome. I can hardly wait. MY FIRST EJECTION.

I sure he will say something stupid, he always does on the forum.

I still don't know why you want to know about me.

http://www.popscorn.com/images/gold-tin2.jpg

Peace

I think the wrong thread was deleted.

I didn't delete the rest of the entry to make you look like a fool -- I apologize if that was the result.

I deleted it because it contained one or more references to other posts that had been deleted.

I left the one sentence in to (a) try to calm everyone down and (b) show that there were deletions.

Sorry if that didn't work.