How bad was the PU in last night's CA vs FL game? Let me count the ways.

1. Where was this guys strike zone? Did he have a strike zone? I can't believe how much he was squeezing both pitchers. Especially Pimentel of CA.

2. Missed HR call aside. Why was he talking to the BU at 3rd about what he saw and not the FU in left who made the call? Why didn't he gather the entire crew together to find out exactly what each of them saw or didn't see?

3. When the CA coach called time and complained that Dante Bichette Sr. was "taunting" his 1B coach and his batter the PU did nothing. No informing Bichette about the CA complaint. No warning about taunting. Nothing.

4. In the 5th, after a FL batter struck out swinging the 3B coach for FL questioned the PU as to whether the pitch was fouled. The PU said that the pitch went off the C's glove and then off his protector (which was the correct call). But the coach then said something to him along the lines of "how could you be sure you got that one right, you didn't get the HR call right". A coach still complaining about a call that happened two innings earlier? The PU should have either run him right there or at least told him that if he said one more word about the HR call that his day would be over.

This PU took charge of nothing and let the FL coaches run all over him. Not a very good example of umpiring at this level. It gives all of us a bad name.

Tell me that I didn't hear him "No" to the batter, when he requested a "Time Out".

Is it really necessary to say "thats a strike" everytime the batter swung the bat. Ah Dah, No Sh$$.

I beg to differ on the first sentence. Perfect example of all the things bi**hed about the last week. I agree with the second sentence.

I really don't want to belabor the LL bashing that's been going on lately on this board, but I watched that game and the PU was driving me nuts.

His strike zone was inconsistent. He was definitely sqeezing Pimentel.

What the hell kind of plate stance was that anyway. He would squat down with his body straight up like he had a pole up his whazoo.

And he signaled strikes/outs like a freaking SOFTBALL UMPIRE!!!

And how could six umpires on a small diamond miss the fact that the ball hit about two feet up the screen on the foul pole. GEEZ!

And "that's a strike" is just unnecessary.

I wonder about the different mechanics on strike calls...the PU would point for a called strike, but give the hammer for a swinging strike (while saying 'thats a strike!' *eyeroll*)

why do it differently? use one and stick to it!

I was watching a game the other night and noticed there was a pretty tall guy behind the plate. He was using a Gary Darling-type stance, only his body was angled towards first base all the time. It was weird to watch, and his strike call seemed like a softball call as well. The ASA World Series just ended....maybe some of these guys came straight from Portland.

Home Run Call?
 

I kept hearing about it but didnt see it. What exactly happened?

Re: Home Run Call?
 

mrm21711,
The batted ball hit the left-side foul pole screen 18"-24" above the top of the padded wall [Made a *Thunk*!] then bounced down on the padded wall (back into the playing field) and rolled into foul territory.
Heck, it even sounded "Fair". ;)
mick

The Umps Blew it!!!
 

The LFU had his head up his @&& and missed an obvious HR.

He turned late to the ball and missed it hitting the webbing of the foul pole screen beyond the fence.
He was only 25' from the spot where the ball hit the webbing.

The ball bounced back into fair territory, and for some reason he signaled it was a GRD.

The PU, who had sucked all night, then went to the 3rd base ump to ask what he saw. He never called the crew together to discuss it.

The PU lost control of the game IMO, and was lucky he didn't have a mass ejection on his hands he sucked so bad!

The third base coach from Ca. went back to the box after asking the PU to stop the Fla. dugout from taunting his players and coaches, and he said while miked up,
" ****, even I can hear em'!" The 3rd base ump just stood there dumbfounded.


Tim.

[Edited by BigUmp56 on Aug 25th, 2005 at 04:59 PM]

gerry davis uses the hammer for a called strike and stands up and does the point for a swinging strike

(note: could have been someone other than GD, but whoever it was is using the GD stance)

That was surely not the GD stance the guy was using. It was, ah, squat, slump, ah, I'm not sure what the hell he was doing. But he had the routine down.

Kind of like this, Squat, slump, announce "thats a strike", squat bring both arms up simultaneously, announce the count, sqat, slump, "that a stike". He had the routine down pretty dang good.

Not that it was a good routine, but he had it down well.

I've got $1 that sez LL "rewards" the PU and the LFU with the finals...

He had a very consistent strike zone, anything thrown through a dixe cup sized hole, thigh high, across the middle, was a strike. Anything else was a ball.

The stance was a squat, with arms straight down by his side, hands in a fist, behind his legs. He looked very motionless on the pitch, but, the dixie cup zone was just too tight. Both pitchers were visibly frustrated, but to their credit kept their composure.

The LFU blew the HR call, and he was very close to the wall. You have to be when you are in a 6 man crew on a 200 foot field. The PU could have gotten the crew together and possibly got that one correct, although 3BU seemed to agree with LFU. HR miss call did not have much bearing on the game since it did not end with one team up by 1.

Similar to a Randy Marsh stance? I didn't see the game....

Oh, a strike zone the size of a baseball?

Rich, it seemed to be 17" x 20".
5th and 6th inning it got wider.
mick

I won't waste anymore time with my LL opinions. Go to e-team-sleaze to read them if you want.

All I'm going to say is that what those 6 gentlemen did last night just makes LL umpires look worse than ever.

I've thought about it and I really wish that LL would institute their own, unique uniforms so LL umpires won't wear the same uniforms as we do! It's embarassing even for us on the big diamond!

i never said the guy on LLWS used GD stance, im talking about an MLB umpire using GD (probably GD) that did the different strike calls...

I would have to go check umpire schedule to see when Randy is behind the plate and then hope that it is on TV, to see if it compares. But I think I have better things to do. It's an odd stance I have never seen before, and a strke zone I have never seen before either.

Ozzy,

For you to continually bash e-teamz here, and then post over 1,150 posts there, don't you think you are a bit of a hypocrite?

If you don't care for LL, that's cool as I have told you before. But since you are no longer involved with the LL organization, why the crusade to crucify all others who are?

I work LL games on the big diamond. I have for years. I belong to an association that insists on excellence through training. We meet twice a month from May to August to discuss mechanics and proper rules applications. We meet once a month for the rest of the year. At least 70% of our members work FED games.

There are some that join and show no improvement, but they are weeded out over time. I am just as critical of this years LLWS umpires as anyone else. They DO NOT represent all of us that work LL games, and not all of us that work LL games work small ball.

I guess I am asking you to consider not throwing all LL umpires into the same boat.


Tim.

Until recently, most of those posts were on the FED/NCAA board from that site.

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If you don't care for LL, that's cool as I have told you before. But since you are no longer involved with the LL organization, why the crusade to crucify all others who are?

It is probably because the LL'ers invade and take over every board with their stupid garbage. LL umpires and LL coaches even post resolutions on the FED/NCAA side because they can read a rule book. The problem is they eqate everything to LL.

The other reality is LL is not real baseball! It is a training ground for kids, coaches and umpires. I never had a problem with the kids - to them this may be the only baseball they will ever see. But coaches, parents and umpires of LL seem to think that they are equal to MLB. Most of them never even played HS ball! You see it here on this board - LL'ers are the "know it alls" especially the Rats!

My attitude also has a lot to do with personal feelings toward the organization. Let's just leave it with when I played over 40 years ago, it really was a great organization.

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I work LL games on the big diamond. I have for years. I belong to an association that insists on excellence through training. We meet twice a month from May to August to discuss mechanics and proper rules applications. We meet once a month for the rest of the year. At least 70% of our members work FED games. There are some that join and show no improvement, but they are weeded out over time. I am just as critical of this years LLWS umpires as anyone else. They DO NOT represent all of us that work LL games, and not all of us that work LL games work small ball.

That's good. I too belong to a 2nd organization that has a LL side. The UIC there trys to train and weed out the bad ones. Those of us from the FED board invite the LL trainees and vets to our sessions for the 90' diamond guys. We set up double scenerios so the LL'ers can see how it should be done on the 60' diamond. But even there, the attitude of the LL'ers rises like the stench of a swamp!

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I guess I am asking you to consider not throwing all LL umpires into the same boat. Tim.

Point taken.

Your attention please!

Last train to Geezerville, Myopia Village and Donttheymakeitin6XLtown is now boarding on track number 7.

All aboard!

Kyle,

Are you the conductor, porter, or engineer on the old blind fat man's train?

Tim.

Ticket taker. How far are you going?

All the way to Williamsport.......

And he signaled strikes/outs like a freaking SOFTBALL UMPIRE!!!


What is the difference between a "freaking softball umpire's" strike/out signal compaired to a baseball umpire's strike/out signal?

A baseball umpire signals strikes by pointing away from himself with his arm extended, or by making a hammering motion with his right fist.


A softball umpire signals strikes by waving his fist over his head like a qu%%r hailing a cab!!

Everybody look at me, look at me! It was a strike! It really, really was a strike!

LMAO!


Tim.

Because it's a softball signal, it looks awful, has no personality to it and it an unnatural arm movement.

Hey Tim.
I've done both, and both at a national level (NOT LL, however). I know some good softball guys to get you hooked up with, but first they will have to see if they can break you of some bad habits from baseball.

Now I have to go out and catch a cab. Oooooooooh, taxi! Pleeeeeeeeze stop Mr. Taxi!!!!!