L Man - i was in C b/c 2 runners on...i tried to make my initial post as simple as possible, but I think I turned this into everything but simple.

Jerry - yes, its Dan. how did you know? did you hear the story? which Jerry are you...we worked together a few games earlier in the season?

the tag was made with the runners front directly facing me, with the tag attempt being directly behind him lower then shoulder height. this took place about 1/2 way in the basepath between 1st and 2nd. even if i was in B, this still would have been hard to see b/c i'm closer to 2nd and this happened to my right facing the play.

Dan,
We worked yesterday in Chicago. There goes all the good things I said about you to the rest of the WBUA! ;-)

Jerry

Blue --- on the re-revised edition of this play, you still A) saw no tag, and B) don't seem positive the runner moved more than 3 feet away from a straight line between his original position and 2nd base. So next time, don't call an out. See an out, call an out. Don't see an out, you have nothing.

Usually, it's a lot easier to change SAFE into OUT if PU sees something differently than you did, than it is vice versa.

If you were POSITIVE on the 3-feet thing, you have an out, and no need at all to confer with PU.

As to the "fix". I suspect you should have gone with 1st and 2nd, but that depends very much on how close to 2nd the play was. If close, you might assume he wouldn't have thrown to 2nd if he missed the tag, and the play would have developed exactly the same - if so, then 2nd and 3rd is right.

mc - thats what i was looking for...the 'fix' response. great advice, easier to turn a safe into an out then vice versa. live and learn.

jerry - very funny! i see you recognized the story...now i get it. that was a nice email this morning. thanks for the kind words. it was a pleasure working with you. at least we had the lake to gaze at when there was no 'baseball' happening

ah, ok. That omission changed everything for me, i thot there was only R1, sorry :)

all you can do is get to the 'working area' as fast as possible and call what you see.

<i> Originally posted by mick </i>

<b> Originally posted by PeteBooth
BTW, your thread falls under the category of the "cardinal Sin" of umpiring.

Pete,
What does this mean?
Thanks.
mick </b>

Mick even though it might be outdated, Papa C a while ago listed his infamous FAB V on when calls could be changed.

By referencing the phrase "cardinal Sin" I meant things umpires should simply not do as in this thread.

Pete Booth

Thanks Pete,
I think I get it.
Make the call and live with it?

Sorta like that old underarm deodorant commercial: "Never let 'em see you sweat"? :)

mick