F1 moving his glove to give the signals again

[whatgameyouwatchinblue]

Sigh, runner on 2nd, pitcher takes sign, rolls his glove to get the signal again. I called the balk. The rat comes out to ask why this is a balk. I tell him he cant do that when in contact to the rubber. He tells me to watch baseball tonight and that i will see this all night long. I say thats mlb this is fed, in fed this is a balk. he then asks me why we didnt go over this in the rules clinic. I told him its not our job to teach him the rules. He walked off shaking his head.

I mostly only do fed ball, i've always known this was a balk in fed and always was ready to call it. But if i hadnt read this damn board today i dont think the pitcher would have ever done that. The gods were testing me tonight.

[DG]

OOO

[whatgameyouwatchinblue]

what other rules do you ignore???

i dont agree with it but im going to call it.

Also why does calling a rule in the book make me a OOO.

your the one choosing what rule you will and wont inforce.

did you read the baseball guide 2005 from the NFHS.

Last sentence of the "doing right for the right reason"
article.

TO do less-to fail to keep current or the be the maverick who says,"My way no matter what"- cheats everyone.

by saying that im an OOO and that you dont call what is in the fed rule book makes you sound like a so called "big dog" that will not call it the way the fed wants. and that you will call the game the way you see fit!

[Edited by whatgameyouwatchinblue on Apr 15th, 2005 at 01:34 AM]

[largeone59]

I agree with you, W. Gotta call 'em like FED wants you to call 'em. Balk.

[David B]

Originally posted by whatgameyouwatchinblue
Sigh, runner on 2nd, pitcher takes sign, rolls his glove to get the signal again. I called the balk. The rat comes out to ask why this is a balk. I tell him he cant do that when in contact to the rubber. He tells me to watch baseball tonight and that i will see this all night long. I say thats mlb this is fed, in fed this is a balk. he then asks me why we didnt go over this in the rules clinic. I told him its not our job to teach him the rules. He walked off shaking his head.

I mostly only do fed ball, i've always known this was a balk in fed and always was ready to call it. But if i hadnt read this damn board today i dont think the pitcher would have ever done that. The gods were testing me tonight.

Let's see, you had everyone in the dugouts at all times, and the base coaches always stayed in their boxes, and you made sure that the on-deck box was 5 ft in diameter and located 37 feet to the side of home plate. (space permitting) and for sure you didn't allow a pitcher to warm up for more than one minute etc., etc.,

That's completely ridiculous.

Have a nice season, just don't come down here to call any games.

thanks
David

[ozzy6900]

I will not argue with anyone about what the FED wants. They say it's a balk then it's a balk.


But here's reality; I have 3 varsity fields in my officiating area with lights. When the FED puts all the games on those fields, then I will call all the balks in the book. Until then, I keep the game moving and call what is a real balk!

[mcrowder]

Uh, what?

So --- the lack of lights means you alter the balk rules?

I missed that at my clinic.

[ozzy6900]

Originally posted by mcrowder
Uh, what?

So --- the lack of lights means you alter the balk rules?

I missed that at my clinic.

No I mean that the whole thing about balks is becoming anal!

It is an accepted practice at every level that an out stretched pitcher waiving his glove in a curcular motion is signaling for a new or repeat sign from the catcher. I repeat - accepted practice - not accepted rule.

When this motion is occuring, F1's focus is on the catcher and nothing else.

And umpire that calls this a balk (in my humble opinion) should never be allowed out of t-ball!!

Very sorry if I piss off some people but that's the way it is!

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[Tim C]

Then "all" umpires in my association (about 170 at last count) will be filling the t-ball fields soon.

[scyguy]

OZ I would think that is an uncomfortable position you are taking.

Ok, after reading last post I think this balk call might be anal, but your statement about lights implies something completely different.

[Edited by scyguy on Apr 15th, 2005 at 10:27 AM]

[gobama84]

Originally posted by ozzy6900


And umpire that calls this a balk (in my humble opinion) should never be allowed out of t-ball!!

Very sorry if I piss off some people but that's the way it is!

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Hey Tee,
I've got the plate. I think I can handle moving the t out of the runners way.

I'm calling that a balk all the time!!!!

[scyguy]

let me get this straight, this is a balk because:

1 since he is on rubber, pitching regs have begun

2 he has assumed windup with both hands together in front of body

so, the problem is that he has started his motion by moving his glove and not contiuing the motion. Correct??

[whatgameyouwatchinblue]

rule 6.1.2 situation d: F1, while on the pitchers plate in either the windup or set position, a) adjusts his cap or b) shakes off the signal with his glove, or c) shakes off the signal with his head. Ruling In a) and b) this is an illegal pitch or a balk if there are runners on base. THese are movements of the arms or legs not associated with the pitch, in c) this is legal.
Fed.

[mcrowder]

Ozz -- accepted by WHOM?

Accepted by MLB, obviously... but they use a different rule set. Accepted by any OBR area, actually. But in FED,...

Accepted by YOU, obviously. Perhaps it's apparently accepted in your area, for some reason (habit, laziness, lack of proper lighting, I don't know...)

But not accepted in any area I've been in, and apparently not accepted in the FED areas that most of the other posters here work in.

The reason for my first post, though, was a friendly snark on what sounds to me to be a more ominous problem. It sounded like you were implying that as some sort of protest to the lack of proper lighting (or lack of enough fields ... not sure which one your complaint was really about), your umpires are selectively not calling balks that are called everywhere else. If that's not what you meant to imply, please grace us with an explanation of why the lighting/fields comment was even included in this discussion.

[gordon30307]

Originally posted by whatgameyouwatchinblue
Sigh, runner on 2nd, pitcher takes sign, rolls his glove to get the signal again. I called the balk. The rat comes out to ask why this is a balk. I tell him he cant do that when in contact to the rubber. He tells me to watch baseball tonight and that i will see this all night long. I say thats mlb this is fed, in fed this is a balk. he then asks me why we didnt go over this in the rules clinic. I told him its not our job to teach him the rules. He walked off shaking his head.

I mostly only do fed ball, i've always known this was a balk in fed and always was ready to call it. But if i hadnt read this damn board today i dont think the pitcher would have ever done that. The gods were testing me tonight.

In my "nape of the neck" this is not called. And before I get "what other rules aren't you calling today" line I agree as per Fed. that it is a balk. If the powers that be want it called than by all means call it. Personally I don't see it as being deceptive everyone knows (at least in my area) that the pitcher is asking for another signal. Where I'm at if I called it I'd be accused of "nit picking". Sort of like Coaches sitting on their buckets outside the dugout. By rule they should be in the dugout. However if they get taken out by a foul ball. Hey it's only one less guy that I gotta deal with. LOL