Protests and Authoritative Opinion Revisited.

[Bfair]

As much as I hate the thought of agreeing with Warren, I at times feel compelled to. This is one of those (few) times. (grin)

Fed Casebook 1.4.2 references situation whereby "The umpire informs the coach that a protest for such reasons will not be considered....."

This is casebook example of umpire making decision on the field whether to accept or not accept protest. I would also tend to agree with J/R (not to be understood as putting you in same class now, Warren) not to belabor the issue. If coach gives continuing grief, I will likely accept his protest for sake a game continuity.

Just my opinion,

Steve
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[Bfair]

DDonnelly19 (qooted):
"....At this level, no matter how hard the ball is hit, any batter's going to get at least 3B since the fielders would need to run at least 150' to get to the ball. I can see a ground-rule triple being justifiable at this level on such a large field...."

Sometimes down here in Texas we have to go out to the boonies to some not so large towns to handle these country games. One guy brought back this situation:

Bases loaded, bottom 7th with home team down 3 runs. Playing in the boonies with no outfield fence and a farm in the distance. Batter cranks one to left center that must have flown 400 ft. in the air and would still be rolling if a pig hadn't picked up the ball and ate it !!!! Not a fielder within 150 ft when pig ate the ball.
What's your call ???
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Ump called---- " INSIDE THE PORK HOME RUN "

How do we get on these subjects?

Steve
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[BJ Moose]

Originally posted by Bfair
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Fed Casebook 1.4.2 references situation whereby "The umpire informs the coach that a protest for such reasons will not be considered....."
Steve
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Apple v Orange as it related to the original controversy.

142 above refers to a protest that is made in VIOLATION of TIME of PROTEST rules. And it is, of course, correct. The proverbial, "Sorry, Coach, it is TOO LATE for you to protest that now!"

Some of the other discussion was the question of the Umpire making an onfield decision as to the validity of a protest as to its Judgment v Interpretation.

Ex. 2. (I had this last season). Coach (former Major League Player!!) had a disagreement with me over a play on a batter. (I was, of course, right). He REALLY thought I was wrong. He returns to dugout. Two pitches are thrown to next batter. 1-1 count. TIME! He goes to mound.. then comes back to me and announces. "Mike, I'm going to protest this game, I don't think you got that play right."

OOOPS, Sorry,BUZZZ...Aaaaaaaak. Thank you for playing!! Here are some lovely parting gifts.

"Uh, Dave, you can't protest! It is too late!"

Now in this case he just left and fumed. IF he had INSISTED... then I would have refused and eventually tossed him. (I need to get my EJ #s up....I'm too mild mannered).

Mike Branch
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[DDonnelly19]

Originally posted by BJ Moose

Apple v Orange as it related to the original controversy.

142 above refers to a protest that is made in VIOLATION of TIME of PROTEST rules. And it is, of course, correct. The proverbial, "Sorry, Coach, it is TOO LATE for you to protest that now!"

Some of the other discussion was the question of the Umpire making an onfield decision as to the validity of a protest as to its Judgment v Interpretation.

Ex. 2. (I had this last season). Coach (former Major League Player!!) had a disagreement with me over a play on a batter. (I was, of course, right). He REALLY thought I was wrong. He returns to dugout. Two pitches are thrown to next batter. 1-1 count. TIME! He goes to mound.. then comes back to me and announces. "Mike, I'm going to protest this game, I don't think you got that play right."

OOOPS, Sorry,BUZZZ...Aaaaaaaak. Thank you for playing!! Here are some lovely parting gifts.

"Uh, Dave, you can't protest! It is too late!"

Now in this case he just left and fumed. IF he had INSISTED... then I would have refused and eventually tossed him. (I need to get my EJ #s up....I'm too mild mannered).

Mike Branch
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OK, if you're willing to toss a coach/manager who attempts to lodge a protest too late, why won't you/we/anybody toss a coach who's trying to protest an obvious judgement call?

According to your reasoning, we should:

-accept a protest on the grounds of umpire appearance (skipper didn't like your hat)
-eject a manager when he realizes one pitch too late that you just awarded 2 bases on a balk

Care to elaborate on this, Mike/Moose?

Dennis

[BJ Moose]

Originally posted by DDonnelly19
[According to your reasoning, we should:

-accept a protest on the grounds of umpire appearance (skipper didn't like your hat)
-eject a manager when he realizes one pitch too late that you just awarded 2 bases on a balk

Care to elaborate on this, Mike/Moose?

Dennis [/B]

Why SURE....allow me to explain.

Sometimes one posts as THEY would do. And sometimes one posts as they would advise others to do. And sometimes one posts as they believe things should be done. And sometimes (horrors!) persons post axioms, that later are shown to be... uh...

I never said you MUST ACCEPT a protest. I simply advice (to the legions who follow) that it is best for ALL concerned, and might save your bacon, if you just ACCEPT the idiot coach protest. (The HAT example). It's easier and quicker. And I want to look out for the lurkers and the less experienced.. Meaning, do we REALLY KNOW what the coach is protesting. 100% sure? Perhaps it appears he is questioning judgment but in actuality its some secret rule. Lowest Common Denominator, why take the risk.. Note the protest, move on. The protest commitee will sort it out.

Because look at the converse. The poor umpire, who mistakenly reads the platitudes of _______, then assumes that he must make this decision about the coaches protest. Ump REFUSES to allow the protest.. and then, after the fact, we find that this coach had a VALID beef, the protest should have been allowed. This is the worst case.. why take the chance.

Now your example above is a bit skewed. I (me) may NOT allow the coach to protest my hat.. because I know with absolute certainty what would be the result.. but, what the heck, I'd rather have the boob coach pay the fee and look stupid, so accept...... AND come on.. your time example?? I would NEVER (being perfect that is), have awarded two bases on a balk...but if my evil Twin Skippy did.. we'd give that coach a LONG LONG rope to beef.. He won't get to protest (again, we know 100% sure he can't).. but unless he calls me a @#%%^ or a %#$^&, he'll hang around.....I deserve it right.. I @#T^ up.

Remember.. in my orig example the EX PRO player was 100% wrong and I was right.

Mike Branch
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