Advantageous 4th Out

[Gee]

"SNIP"

"Not true. Professional minor leagues, those served by PBUC, do indeed use OBR. The PBUC manual does not substitute for the rulebook, rather it serves to provide some guidance and interpretations for the rule book."
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Well I guess PBUC forgot OBR 7.10(d) extended when they allowed an appeal on the runner returning to the base after never leaving the immediate area of that base.

It is written pretty clearly for all to see and it isn't realy too difficult to understand for those that can read, "AN APPEAL IS NOT ALLOWED". Me thinks your reading the same book as Fitzy but it aint the OBR. G.

[cbfoulds]

Originally posted by Gee
"SNIP"

"Not true. Professional minor leagues, those served by PBUC, do indeed use OBR. The PBUC manual does not substitute for the rulebook, rather it serves to provide some guidance and interpretations for the rule book."
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Well I guess PBUC forgot OBR 7.10(d) extended when they allowed an appeal on the runner returning to the base after never leaving the immediate area of that base.

It is written pretty clearly for all to see and it isn't realy too difficult to understand for those that can read, "AN APPEAL IS NOT ALLOWED". Me thinks your reading the same book as Fitzy but it aint the OBR. G.

Not disagreeing w/ you that the enforcement of 7.10d extends to all bases, and that a runner who has not left the immediate vicinity must be tagged [rather than merely appealed] if attempting to return to the missed base.

HOWEVER, I'm looking in my copy of the book, and nowhere in or arround 7.10d do I find the "an appeal is not allowed" in this context. The only place I find those words is that "a request for a second appeal on the same runner at the same base shall not be allowed ....". As I understand it, the 7.10d enforcement extension is not in the OBR itself, but is an official interpretation outside the book. Incorrect?

Lastly, were you making a funny?:

The last I heard is that WUA (Rick Roder) claims that the umpires are split on the issue. They are also split on allowing a run to score after the third out since there is no rule against it. So much for the WUA. G

My OBR has Rule 4.09a:
"One run shall score each time a runner legally advances to and touches first, second, third and home base before three men are put out to end the inning."
That looks to me very much like a rule [actually, there are others, too] against scoring a run after the 3d out.

[GarthB]

Originally posted by Gee
"SNIP"

"Not true. Professional minor leagues, those served by PBUC, do indeed use OBR. The PBUC manual does not substitute for the rulebook, rather it serves to provide some guidance and interpretations for the rule book."
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Well I guess PBUC forgot OBR 7.10(d) extended when they allowed an appeal on the runner returning to the base after never leaving the immediate area of that base.

It is written pretty clearly for all to see and it isn't realy too difficult to understand for those that can read, "AN APPEAL IS NOT ALLOWED". Me thinks your reading the same book as Fitzy but it aint the OBR. G.

Again, for the reading impaired, the PBUC manual provides guidance and interpretations of the OBR. It is not a rule book. Gee's example above would, to most people prove just that. It is providing an interpretation.

If, as Gee is presenting, the PBUC was a rulebook, the minor leagues would have damn few rules by which to play and no discussion of definitions and many other rules.

Sometimes aging is not a pretty thing.