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Anyone watching the Yankees/Red Sox game? With Damon on first, Contreras threw over to first and it went into the stands. The umpire only awarded Damon 2nd base. Francona came out to question the call, and I thought that he should be on third base. I thought he stepped off before throwing.
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Rich,
and Mike Winters nailed it . . . it was clearly a jab step which means in contact with the pitcher's plate.
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R3 and R1, pitcher tries to fake to third then throw to first and he F1 sends the ball into dead ball territory.
I put R1 on third and coach argues he should be on second. I told him the pither disengaged the rubber and the award is two bases. He protests the game and loses (within 5 minutes because it's a state tournament game). I went to the rule book on the scorers table after the game. The coach comes up to me and asks if I found the rule. I read it to him since he asks and doesn't have his glasses. I finish and he looks at me and goes, "Well, I guess I was wrong." Me :D |
It is practically impossible to fake to 3b, turn and throw to 1b without disengaging from the rubber.
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And in OBR/NCAA, it is a balk to fake to third and throw to first without disengaging legally. |
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Have you ever seen a pitcher use this move at the "upper" level? I don't even remember the last time I saw a 3rd to 1st move at the "upper" level.
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I've seen the balk called in Senior Legion Ball and in a Minor League game. But what do they know, eh? They probably weren't told to not call this "highly technical" balk at pro-school. |
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It is a balk in NCAA & OBR. |
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It generally doesn't fool anyone. Once I see the step to third, I start pivoting to make the call at first base (from the B position). The purpose of the move isn't to get an out -- it's to see if the batter is bunting or R1 tips that he is going to be running. |
We saw the move in a 12 year old game, but this was an "elite" 12 year old league, they played like they were 16. The pitcher faked to third and did not disengage his pivot foot from the rubber, he just basically kept it in the same spot while rotating.
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