Appeal play under Williamsport rules

[isneths]

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Was asked by a coach @ a LL Dist. tourney about this sitch:

[Williamsport rules] B1 flies out to F8 (CF). R1 @ 2nd leaves before the catch and is at 3rd. Coach of F8 appeals 2nd base for no tag-up. Coach of B1/R1 says to R1, 'if they appeal, you go home'.

(1) Should F1 do the normal appeal procedure before or after he steps on the rubber?
(2) Is it necessary to call time out prior to the appeal?
(3) Was the coach of R1 right in instructing his runner to go home on said appeal?

[Edited by isneths on Jul 14th, 2004 at 08:06 AM]

[jxt127]

I'll take a kick at the can

1) Presuming the ball is still live the pitcher is going to either
a) be still off the rubber or
b) disengage properly if he gets on the rubber

2) The ball has to be live for an appeal. So there is no point in calling time prior to making the appeal. (Had a hard time getting this through a coaches head last year)

3) Send the runner as soon as the pitcher starts to throw to 2nd. If the defence completes the appeal nothing is lost as the runner is out. If the defence plays on the runner they may or may not get him out but they may no longer appeal. So from an offensive point of view there is nothing to lose by trying.

[jicecone]

Originally posted by isneths
Check this out...

Was asked by a coach @ a LL Dist. tourney about this sitch:

[Williamsport rules] B1 flies out to F8 (CF). R1 @ 2nd leaves before the catch and is at 3rd. Coach of F8 appeals 2nd base for no tag-up. Coach of B1/R1 says to R1, 'if they appeal, you go home'.

(1) Should F1 do the normal appeal procedure before or after he steps on the rubber?
(2) Is it necessary to call time out prior to the appeal?
(3) Was the coach of R1 right in instructing his runner to go home on said appeal?

[Edited by isneths on Jul 14th, 2004 at 08:06 AM]

Not exactly sure about LL rules however;

1. What is the "normal appeal procedure"? A lot of people believe that the pitcher must get on the rubber and then make an appeal. The only reason it is required that the pitcher get on the rubber, is to put the ball back in play. If there is no time out then an appeal can still be made by going over to the bag an announcing your intentions. So F1 can do the normal appeal before getting on the rubber if there is no time out or do the normal procedure after going on the rubber to get time in.

2. I believe LL follows OBR rules on this, there is no such thing as a dead ball appeal, only at the High School level. Therefore calling time out will kill the status of a live ball and then the pitcher must get back on the rubber to make the ball live.

3. The ball is live, if the defense is 100% sure that the runner will be out, then they should make the appeal otherwise, that may have to play on the runner, or both.

[bob jenkins]

The defense should appeal by throwing the ball to the catcher who will walk toward third to tag the runner. This will keep the runner from advancing if the appeal is denied.

[mick]

Originally posted by jicecone

Not exactly sure about LL rules however;

1. What is the "normal appeal procedure"? A lot of people believe that the pitcher must get on the rubber and then make an appeal. The only reason it is required that the pitcher get on the rubber, is to put the ball back in play. If there is no time out then an appeal can still be made by going over to the bag an announcing your intentions. So F1 can do the normal appeal before getting on the rubber if there is no time out or do the normal procedure after going on the rubber to get time in.

2. I believe LL follows OBR rules on this, there is no such thing as a dead ball appeal, only at the High School level. Therefore calling time out will kill the status of a live ball and then the pitcher must get back on the rubber to make the ball live.

3. The ball is live, if the defense is 100% sure that the runner will be out, then they should make the appeal otherwise, that may have to play on the runner, or both.

Nice explanation, jicecone.

[DG]

Originally posted by bob jenkins
The defense should appeal by throwing the ball to the catcher who will walk toward third to tag the runner. This will keep the runner from advancing if the appeal is denied.

Good call coach!