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Old Tue May 25, 2004, 11:05pm
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Personally, I think that the runner on 3B should "disappear" only if he were the one to leave base early. What does one of the other runners leaving early have to do with the runner on 3B? But I don't write em, I just enforce em.

And I don't mind the little kids having different rules from the ones for players that shave.
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Old Wed May 26, 2004, 12:33am
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Dixie Boys baseball player under Official Baseball Rules.


Youth leagues have added, deleted, modified and at times have outright re-written the rules. Some youth leagues have changed the obstruction rule and one even invented a rule in which a runner just plain disappears. (He's not out, he didn't score, he's just gone.)

Could you elaborate on this?
It is a Little League rule, 7.13, I believe. It is part of the their rule against "leaving early."

Basically, if bases are loaded and a runner leaves early when a ball is bunted or hit in teh infield for a single, the runner at third evaporates, disappears. (the “POOF!” rule”): He is not allowed to score and he is not counted as being out. He's just gone.

[Edited by GarthB on May 24th, 2004 at 03:28 AM]
Same rule in Babe Ruth baseball, Cal Ripken league.
Sorry to hear that.
I've umpired games on the small diamond where stealing was allowed and every walk was a triple.

I think LL has a pretty good rule that keeps players from getting an early jump, but doesn't eliminate them like softball (call them out).

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Old Wed May 26, 2004, 01:32am
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Dixie Boys baseball player under Official Baseball Rules.


Youth leagues have added, deleted, modified and at times have outright re-written the rules. Some youth leagues have changed the obstruction rule and one even invented a rule in which a runner just plain disappears. (He's not out, he didn't score, he's just gone.)

Could you elaborate on this?
It is a Little League rule, 7.13, I believe. It is part of the their rule against "leaving early."

Basically, if bases are loaded and a runner leaves early when a ball is bunted or hit in teh infield for a single, the runner at third evaporates, disappears. (the “POOF!” rule”): He is not allowed to score and he is not counted as being out. He's just gone.

[Edited by GarthB on May 24th, 2004 at 03:28 AM]
Same rule in Babe Ruth baseball, Cal Ripken league.
Sorry to hear that.
I've umpired games on the small diamond where stealing was allowed and every walk was a triple.

I think LL has a pretty good rule that keeps players from getting an early jump, but doesn't eliminate them like softball (call them out).

--Rich
My sense of fair play is offended when a rule is designed to punish not the offender, but an "innocent bystander."

I think the LL rule stinks.
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Old Wed May 26, 2004, 10:55am
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Pony was the same way.

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I've umpired games on the small diamond where stealing was allowed and every walk was a triple.

I think LL has a pretty good rule that keeps players from getting an early jump, but doesn't eliminate them like softball (call them out).

--Rich [/B]
When I was in TX they played Pony ball and it was the same way on the small diamonds.

Every kid that walked ended up on third base. (Until all-star time and then they had a catcher who could throw them out)

And the little pitchers could throw strikes from the windup, but once a runner was on they had to go to the stretch and many of them couldn't throw a strike.

Made for a long, slow game.

Dixie Youth is pretty similiar to LL as far as the lead off and its not a bad rule I don't think.

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