Dropped Third Strike

[umpguy2190]

Can someone explain how the dropped third strike rule works.
This rule confuses me for some reason. Thanks!

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by umpguy2190
Can someone explain how the dropped third strike rule works.
This rule confuses me for some reason. Thanks!

Batter can run if either (or both): (1) First base is unoccupied; (2) Two are out.

Historically: Batter could run after any third (or last)strike. Since catchers played back from the plate batters often (relatvely) made first. As catchers moved up, and wore gloves, the play became "too routine." So the rule was changed so the batter could run only on a third strike not caught. Catchers realized that if, with a runner on first, they dropped the ball on purpose, the defense could get an easy double play. So, the rule was changed again so the batter could run only when a double play wasn't possible.

[umpguy2190]

Thanks! It was a big help.

[bluezebra]

It's not a dropped third strike, it's a third strike not caught. "Dropped" implies that the catcher touched the ball.

[umpguy2190]

So, then if the catcher catches it, the batter can't run.
But if the catcher touches it, then drops it, the batter can run?

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by umpguy2190
So, then if the catcher catches it, the batter can't run.
But if the catcher touches it, then drops it, the batter can run?

Touches and drops? Yes.

Catches and drops? No.

[Illini_Ref]

The biggest mistake I see in the calling of this rule, as well as the misunderstanding of fans is this. People think that if the catcher cleanly fields the pitch on a short hop, then it is a CATCH. It is not a catch. The rule says that the catcher must catch the ball BEFORE it touches the ground.

I know you all probably know this, but I just needed to vent a pet peeve.

Also, I'm going to try the Gerry Davis stance tonight for hte first time. I just came back to work this week after a broken finger, so wish me luck. The ball seems to always find our weak spots.

[mcrowder]

Pet peeve of mine too. I was BU last year when a 30-year veteran ump called a bounced pitch that was cleanly fielded an out, even when confronted by the rulebook. She told me "I even teach that in my clinics."

Remind me never to go to her clinics.

[Gottagame2day]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Illini_Ref
[B]The biggest mistake I see in the calling of this rule, as well as the misunderstanding of fans is this. People think that if the catcher cleanly fields the pitch on a short hop, then it is a CATCH. It is not a catch. The rule says that the catcher must catch the ball BEFORE it touches the ground.

When confronted with "but he caught it!?!", the answer should be "no he didn't, he fielded it".

Mark

[umpguy2190]

What do you mean by touch, how could the catcher touch but not catch? It doesn't make since

[umpguy2190]

Wait! I see what your saying. According to the rules, a fielder must have possession of the ball for it to be a catch. I get it now.

I don't know how I could forget that! Duh. After Umping for 3yrs you would think I could remember that. Bad day I guess.
LOL -John

[bluezebra]

Originally posted by umpguy2190
What do you mean by touch, how could the catcher touch but not catch? It doesn't make since

If you learn the definitions, youre way ahead of the game. If you don't know the definitions, you will have trouble learning the other rules.

[umpguy2190]

Thanks! I'll take your advice. -John