baseball hit foulpole in air then goes foul is it fair?

[tinker]

i say it is foul. it is like hitting the line caulk line and it going foul, then the ball is considered foul. but if the ball hits the caulk line and goes fair then the ball is fair.

[tornado]

Any ball that first hits a chalk (foul) line or the foul pole beyond 1st or 3rd base is FAIR.

[ozzy6900]

i say it is foul. it is like hitting the line caulk line and it going foul, then the ball is considered foul. but if the ball hits the caulk line and goes fair then the ball is fair.

Wow, I hope that you are not an umpire! If you are, I hope that you go back and learn your trade before you do another game!

[Edited by ozzy6900 on Oct 9th, 2003 at 09:43 AM]

[mick]

Originally posted by ozzy6900
i say it is foul. it is like hitting the line caulk line and it going foul, then the ball is considered foul. but if the ball hits the caulk line and goes fair then the ball is fair.

Wow, I hope that you are not an umpire! If you are, I hope that you go back and learn your trade before you another game!

ozzy6900,
Let's give encouragement to our young umpires.
'tinker' came to the right place to ask a question with a 1st post and tornado nailed the answer.
mick

[chuck chopper]

Tinker, I don't know who created the language of baseball but we should have "fair poles" and "fair lines" not foul poles and such. You just keep asking questions...remember what they told you in school."the only dumb question is the one you didn't ask". I've ump'd for 27 years & still keep asking questions for opinions & rules.

[ozzy6900]

Originally posted by mick

ozzy6900,
Let's give encouragement to our young umpires.
'tinker' came to the right place to ask a question with a 1st post and tornado nailed the answer.
mick

Sorry Mick, I come from a different school. Better to get the "poke" from your own than from players or coaches. How do you think this guy will feel when a coach chews him a new back-side for a call like that? (and the coach will be dead right) I'd rather he get the licking here than on the field.

[mick]

Originally posted by ozzy6900

Sorry Mick, I come from a different school. Better to get the "poke" from your own than from players or coaches. How do you think this guy will feel when a coach chews him a new back-side for a call like that? (and the coach will be dead right) I'd rather he get the licking here than on the field.

No! ...Same school as you, ozzy6900.
I don't know tinker, nor do I know you.
But, hey, here's an invitation, if you see me kick a thread, a post, or any rule feel free to bust me.
I am an umpire. I do have thick skin.
mick

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[MD Longhorn]

I doubt Tinker is an umpire. An umpire would not have made comments like "I say ....". An umpire would have been more worried about what the rule says, and known it was not his opinion that governed what was right or wrong, but the rulebook.

[ozzy6900]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mick

No! ...Same school as you, ozzy6900.
I don't know tinker, nor do I know you.
But, hey, here's an invitation, if you see me kick a thread, a post, or any rule feel free to bust me.
I am an umpire. I do have thick skin.
mick[i]

Ha, ha, ha, okay Mick, you got a deal! Blue to blue!

[SC Ump]

Originally posted by tinker
i say it is foul. it is like hitting the line caulk line and it going foul, then the ball is considered foul. but if the ball hits the caulk line and goes fair then the ball is fair.

As long as those dang ground's keepers keep putting their chaulk lines and foul poles within fair territory, then I have to call it fair.

Now lets say they were to roll up the chaulk lines and take down the foul poles and move them all into the equipment shed. If the ball hit them while they were in the equipment shed, I would probably rule it foul. (Of course, as long as the equipment shed was in foul territory.)

[bluezebra]

Originally posted by SC Ump

As long as those dang ground's keepers keep putting their chaulk lines and foul poles within fair territory, then I have to call it fair.

Now lets say they were to roll up the chaulk lines and take down the foul poles and move them all into the equipment shed. If the ball hit them while they were in the equipment shed, I would probably rule it foul. (Of course, as long as the equipment shed was in foul territory.)

Is a "chaulk" line a chalk line made of caulk, or a caulk line made of caulk?

Bob

[w_sohl]

This stadium is at least one exception to the rule. Aramis Rameriez smacked a ball down the left field line that obviously hit the fair/foul pole. I believe at Pro Player the metal mesh fence on the fiar side of the pole is the only part of the pole that is in fair territory. I think they actually have the pole lined up outside of fair territory. If anyone has any other insight on this particular stadium please let me know.

[Rich Ives]

Originally posted by w_sohl
This stadium is at least one exception to the rule. Aramis Rameriez smacked a ball down the left field line that obviously hit the fair/foul pole. I believe at Pro Player the metal mesh fence on the fiar side of the pole is the only part of the pole that is in fair territory. I think they actually have the pole lined up outside of fair territory. If anyone has any other insight on this particular stadium please let me know.

Not so - the poles are fair.

Pro Player groundrules from the Marlins web site:

Ball bounds off any portion of railing around photographers booths, it is in play.

Ball strikes any portion of left-field scoreboard below the uppermost edge, it is in play.

Ball strikes any portion of foul poles in left field above top of wall, it is a home run.

Ball strikes any portion of foul poles in right field above top of wall, it is a home run.

[w_sohl]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rich Ives

Not so - the poles are fair.

Pro Player groundrules from the Marlins web site:

Ball bounds off any portion of railing around photographers booths, it is in play.

Ball strikes any portion of left-field scoreboard below the uppermost edge, it is in play.

Ball strikes any portion of foul poles in left field above top of wall, it is a home run.

Ball strikes any portion of foul poles in right field above top of wall, it is a home run.

That's funny, they ruled the ball foul and no one complained and I am 110% sure it hit the left field foul pole on foul side, not that that matters according to their ground rules. Three others and myself saw it the exact same way. Interesting.