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bbman Sat Jun 03, 2017 06:45am

appeal play
 
Situation:
No outs, R3 on third (no other runners on base). Fly ball to F8, R3 apparently tags up and scores. Defense wants to appeal the tag up. F1 engages the pitching plate (with ball and no time out had been called), and without disengaging, steps and throws over to third, but throw goes over F5's head and rolls against fence.
What's the proper call?
Does pitcher have to disengage to make a proper appeal play (because he can't legally throw to an unoccupied base)?
Would the call be different in mlb vs high school?
Thanks in advance

Matt Sat Jun 03, 2017 08:14am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbman (Post 1006407)
Situation:
No outs, R3 on third (no other runners on base). Fly ball to F8, R3 apparently tags up and scores. Defense wants to appeal the tag up. F1 engages the pitching plate (with ball and no time out had been called), and without disengaging, steps and throws over to third, but throw goes over F5's head and rolls against fence.
What's the proper call?
Does pitcher have to disengage to make a proper appeal play (because he can't legally throw to an unoccupied base)?
Would the call be different in mlb vs high school?
Thanks in advance

There's no call yet...you have a live ball. They could still get it back to third and make an appeal.

No, he doesn't have to engage, because there is an exception for the purpose of appealing (or making a play.)

No, it would not be different.

umpjim Sat Jun 03, 2017 08:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbman (Post 1006407)
Situation:
No outs, R3 on third (no other runners on base). Fly ball to F8, R3 apparently tags up and scores. Defense wants to appeal the tag up. F1 engages the pitching plate (with ball and no time out had been called), and without disengaging, steps and throws over to third, but throw goes over F5's head and rolls against fence.
What's the proper call?
Does pitcher have to disengage to make a proper appeal play (because he can't legally throw to an unoccupied base)?
Would the call be different in mlb vs high school?
Thanks in advance

This call would be no different in HS or MLB. There are differences in other cases.

Rich Ives Sat Jun 03, 2017 08:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt (Post 1006409)
There's no call yet...you have a live ball. They could still get it back to third and make an appeal.

No, he doesn't have to engage, because there is an exception for the purpose of appealing (or making a play.)

No, it would not be different.

Would be the same in any OBR=based rule set like LL.

Matt Sat Jun 03, 2017 09:25am

Quote:

Originally Posted by umpjim (Post 1006410)
This call would be no different in HS or MLB. There are differences in other cases.

Huh?

umpjim Sat Jun 03, 2017 09:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt (Post 1006413)
Huh?

Just pointing out that FED, OBR, NCAA have differences in the appeal process that are not applicable in the OP.

bob jenkins Sun Jun 04, 2017 05:22am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbman (Post 1006407)
F1 engages the pitching plate (with ball and no time out had been called),

Just pointing out that this action of engaging the rubber and throwing is NOT required if the ball remains live. Just get the ball to third. (It doesn't affect the ruling)

parrothead Mon Jun 05, 2017 01:07pm

When I was doing HS in 90's and 00's I seemed to recall them having some different appeal process (or no appeal at all). I believe for a time, the umpire would just make a dead ball call, like "runner left early" - had a guy who loved to make that call and then I think for a while there might of been just a verbal appeal where you didnt have to throw it.

Rich Ives Mon Jun 05, 2017 01:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by parrothead (Post 1006531)
When I was doing HS in 90's and 00's I seemed to recall them having some different appeal process (or no appeal at all). I believe for a time, the umpire would just make a dead ball call, like "runner left early" - had a guy who loved to make that call and then I think for a while there might of been just a verbal appeal where you didnt have to throw it.

Yep - there was a time the umpires just called it. No appeal of any kind.

FED allows verbal dead ball appeals now. plus the "normal" way.


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