Attempted steal of HP.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

8.3.1a

Bob:

Okay. But I am not sure how that applies to the play. I can find nothing in the NFHS Rule 5 that addresses particular situation as to whether a live ball becomes a dead ball which might lead us to say that the ball is still live. But R8-S3-A1a takes us to R6-S1-A4 which in a very convoluted way would lead us to say that the ball becomes dead and all runners except the batter/runner are awarded one base, and yet the pitch is still called a strike on the batter which in this case is strike three which would then lead us to say that the runner is awarded HP and the batter is out.

Boy am I confused. Mark, Jr., is officiating tonight but we will discuss this further when he gets home. I have the night off for a change.

MTD, Sr.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Nevermind everybody. I was in the online rules book and click on case plays and low and behold is our play: NFHS Casebook Play 8.3.1 Situation 3(a), . All three codes have the same ruling. Batter out, no run scores, and the inning is over.

MTD, Sr.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Nevermind everybody. I was in the online rules book and click on case plays and low and behold is our play: NFHS Casebook Play 8.3.1 Situation 3(a), . All three codes have the same ruling. Batter out, no run scores, and the inning is over.

MTD, Sr.

So what did the FB commentators have to say?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

So what did the FB commentators have to say?

Rich:

To be honest I really didn't follow the thread because of other things going on in my life except that I do know that the poster wanted a OBR ruling and that one person gave the same ruling you did but did not give a rules citation. When Mark, Jr., and I discussed it last night, it had been two days since I had originally read the play and had not gone back to check up on it. And since we umpire NFHS we were interested in a NFHS ruling.

MTD, Sr.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Bob:

But R8-S3-A1a

Dots are for cases; dashes are for rules.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Dots are for cases; dashes are for rules.

DOH!! I am blind in one eye and cannot see out of the other. LOL!

No it makes sense.

MTD, Sr.

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

DOH!! I am blind in one eye and cannot see out of the other. LOL!

No it makes sense.

MTD, Sr.

Off topic. Leave Facebook. Ok not all Facebook. Just dont participate in umpire discussions on Facebook.

[CoachPaul]

I guess I'm still trying to work out how a runner can be "off with the pitch" yet beat the ball to the plate. Sign that guy up! He's faster than lightning.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by CoachPaul

I guess I'm still trying to work out how a runner can be "off with the pitch" yet beat the ball to the plate. Sign that guy up! He's faster than lightning.

It means you break with first movement or sometimes even before. That's how you steal home. Entirely possible if you get a slow reaction from the pitcher.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

It means you break with first movement or sometimes even before. That's how you steal home. Entirely possible if you get a slow reaction from the pitcher.

Absolutely and seeing as how most youth pitchers go into the wind up rather than stay in the stretch with bases loaded, it takes longer for the ball to be released so the runner has a jump on the pitcher if he goes on 1st movement.

[BSBAL18]

So less than 2 strikes is a "strike call" and runner out?

[Middleman]

Originally Posted by CoachPaul

I guess I'm still trying to work out how a runner can be "off with the pitch" yet beat the ball to the plate. Sign that guy up! He's faster than lightning.

Heck, Coach Paul, I'm still trying to work out how a pitch that is already in the strike zone can hit a runner who is making a head-first slide before said runner touches the plate?

[john5396]

Originally Posted by Middleman

Heck, Coach Paul, I'm still trying to work out how a pitch that is already in the strike zone can hit a runner who is making a head-first slide before said runner touches the plate?

His knees are bent obviously...... ;^)