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CT1 Thu Apr 21, 2016 09:52am
Or, to put it another way:

The defense screwed up by making a bad throw. An attempt to catch that bad throw doesn't give a fielder the "right" to obstruct a runner.

thumpferee Thu Apr 21, 2016 12:44pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by CoachPaul (Post 986552)
Why? You can't be serious. F3 has a right to go for the ball. If the throw draws him into the runner it's incidental contact while making a baseball play. Both players doing the right thing and occupying the same space. How about you explain why F3 has no right to move to make a play on an errant throw. I'm sure we would all learn something new.
As others have confirmed, I am serious.

F3 has every right to move to make a play on an errant throw, he just can't obstruct the runner when doing so. As CT1 said, the defense screwed up and made a bad throw. You can't penalize the runner for for a defensive error.

And, you may not believe this either, he is awarded 2nd base on the obstruction!

Yes, even if he was going back to 1st.

Nothing NEW!

Benchcoach Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:36pm
:confused:
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Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 986554)
In higher level ball the second time he tries it the runner may come back feet first. :)
RI has wandered into what happened next. F3 used his thigh to block the entire return to the bag. After having achieved a pick off. The frustrated 1b coach was over heard to tell his next runner to slide back feet first. FU warned coach if such a return did occur, he would eject coach and player. F3 continued the maneuver throughout the game but did not achieve any more pick offs.

bob jenkins Fri Apr 22, 2016 08:12am
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Originally Posted by Benchcoach (Post 986588)
:confused:

RI has wandered into what happened next. F3 used his thigh to block the entire return to the bag. After having achieved a pick off. The frustrated 1b coach was over heard to tell his next runner to slide back feet first. FU warned coach if such a return did occur, he would eject coach and player. F3 continued the maneuver throughout the game but did not achieve any more pick offs.
I've never seen that (at least not intentionally). All who have tried this use the lower leg.

Benchcoach Fri Apr 22, 2016 09:14am
Bob:
Poor typing, I meant lower leg. Typed thigh because that what was most visible.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:24am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Benchcoach (Post 986588)
:confused:

RI has wandered into what happened next. F3 used his thigh to block the entire return to the bag. After having achieved a pick off. The frustrated 1b coach was over heard to tell his next runner to slide back feet first. FU warned coach if such a return did occur, he would eject coach and player. F3 continued the maneuver throughout the game but did not achieve any more pick offs.

Nowhere in the NFHS Baseball Rules will you find a rule that defines when and when not a Runner can slide feet first into a Base.

MTD, Sr.

Benchcoach Fri Apr 22, 2016 01:34pm
True about rule but I am certain FU saw it as a safety issue. Wanting to teach a kid a lesson would not justify harming him. It would have been real easy to break F3's ankle. It would also be morally repugnant and unethical.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Apr 22, 2016 04:38pm
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Originally Posted by Benchcoach (Post 986620)
True about rule but I am certain FU saw it as a safety issue. Wanting to teach a kid a lesson would not justify harming him. It would have been real easy to break F3's ankle. It would also be morally repugnant and unethical.

Coach:

Your bucket of reasons for penalizing R1 is leaking worse than the Titantic. If R1 effects a legal slide and during such a legal slide makes contact with F3, there is no infraction of the rules, even if F3 is injured. Stop trying to enforce a rule that does not exist.

MTD, Sr.

john5396 Sat Apr 23, 2016 01:52pm
the slide has to be legal.

That means butt cheek and one leg on the ground. I cant envision a case where the slide is legal but still rises in my judgment to malicious contact. I guess there could be a case when you judge intent to harm even when the slide is legal.

Matt Sat Apr 23, 2016 09:34pm
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Originally Posted by john5396 (Post 986646)
the slide has to be legal.

That means butt cheek and one leg on the ground. I cant envision a case where the slide is legal but still rises in my judgment to malicious contact. I guess there could be a case when you judge intent to harm even when the slide is legal.
Go for it. Let me know how that goes for you.

scrounge Sun Apr 24, 2016 09:01am
Quote:
Originally Posted by john5396 (Post 986646)
the slide has to be legal.

That means butt cheek and one leg on the ground. I cant envision a case where the slide is legal but still rises in my judgment to malicious contact. I guess there could be a case when you judge intent to harm even when the slide is legal.
Fairly easy to envision such a case....an otherwise legal slide coming in spikes high could easily be MC.

Rich Ives Sun Apr 24, 2016 09:24am
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Originally Posted by scrounge (Post 986669)
Fairly easy to envision such a case....an otherwise legal slide coming in spikes high could easily be MC.
No need for high spikes - F3's leg is on the ground. :D


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