First Technical today...

azbigdawg · #1 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 12, 2005, 01:19am

I feel cheap and dirty..but the kid asked for it..lost his cool and swang the elbows

Back In The Saddle · #2 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 12, 2005, 01:47am

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Originally posted by azbigdawg
I feel cheap and dirty..but the kid asked for it..lost his cool and swang the elbows

The cheap and dirty feeling will pass. After a while you realize that it's just another type of foul, and when it's earned you award it with no more passion than a reach in or over the back (that should generate some flames

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Jurassic Referee · #3 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 12, 2005, 08:43am

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Originally posted by azbigdawg
I feel cheap and dirty..but the kid asked for it..lost his cool and swang the elbows

Cheap and dirty because you called a "T"? Pardon me, but that's absolutely ridiculous- if you're serious. You aren't really serious, are you? A "T" is just another call that comes up every now and then. You just make the call when you have to.

Btw, as already asked, how could you possibly call a "T" on this play anyway, if it happened while the ball was live? If the elbow missed, it's a violation. If the elbow connects, it's a personal foul of some type- not a technical foul. The only time that this could possibly be a "T" was if the player threw the elbow while the ball was dead. Was that the case?

thumpferee · #4 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 12, 2005, 08:44am

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Originally posted by Back In The Saddle

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Originally posted by azbigdawg
I feel cheap and dirty..but the kid asked for it..lost his cool and swang the elbows

The cheap and dirty feeling will pass. After a while you realize that it's just another type of foul, and when it's earned you award it with no more passion than a reach in or over the back (that should generate some flames )

A reach in or over the back is not a foul, CONTACT is.

Same with swinging the elbows. No contact, no foul.

Excessively swinging elbows, violation.

azbigdawg · #5 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 12, 2005, 09:20am

let me elaborate..The "cheap and dirty" comment was a joke. The swinging of elbows was during a deal ball, in reaction to being fouled. Definite Technical

thumpferee · #6 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 12, 2005, 10:01am

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Originally posted by azbigdawg
let me elaborate..The "cheap and dirty" comment was a joke. The swinging of elbows was during a deal ball, in reaction to being fouled. Definite Technical

Was there contact?

Does Rule 9.13 apply? How bout 4.24.8 a. and b.?

I guess you could use Rule 4.19.4,5 b or 13. But you said it was "in reaction to being fouled". Had to be there I guess.

Rich · #7 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 12, 2005, 10:11am

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Originally posted by thumpferee

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Originally posted by azbigdawg
let me elaborate..The "cheap and dirty" comment was a joke. The swinging of elbows was during a deal ball, in reaction to being fouled. Definite Technical

Was there contact?

Does Rule 9.13 apply? How bout 4.24.8 a. and b.?

I guess you could use Rule 4.19.4,5 b or 13. But you said it was "in reaction to being fouled". Had to be there I guess.

It seems pretty obvious to me. A player was fouled and the OP called the foul. In retaliation, the fouled player threw an elbow that made contact. Dead ball, hence T.