[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

... the 10 second count starts before the shot clock (this was after a made basket) because it starts while the player is still throwing in the ball.

Not specific to this thread, but different rule sets have different starting times for a ten second count. Some start the count when a player in the backcourt touches the ball, others (NFHS) start the count when a player in the backcourt controls the ball.

I can't speak in regard to when the shot clock starts, we don't use a shot clock for almost all Connecticut scholastic games. However, our Connecticut prep schools use hybrid NCAA/NFHS rules. In our prep school varsity games, during a throw-in, the shot clock starts when the ball is legally touched by any player. After a missed free throw/field goal, the shot clock starts when a player gains control. Officials use the shot clock to time for 10-second backcourt violation, however, when the shot clock is turned off, the official must use a visual count.