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Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu
It's not, obviously. I'll go back to (FP):
With runners on first and second and less than 2 outs, who should make the live ball appeal call on a runner leaving too early at second base?
The mechanic says the PU is responsible for the tag up on the runner on 2B.
And it also says the BU is responsible for any play at 2B.
Appeal play: A play on a rule violation on which an umpire may not make a decision until requested by a manager, coach or player.
Play: An attempt by a defensive player to retire an offensive player. A pitch is not considered a play except as it relates to an appeal.
I'll propose that a live ball appeal at second base that originated from a throw from an outfielder is a "play" and should be called by the BU.
If play has ceased, ball returned to F1 in the circle, and then the defense properly appeals, this would result in a dead ball appeal and I'd suggest that this call belongs to the PU.
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All appeal plays are plays but not all plays are appeal plays
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I appreciate where you're trying to get with this and I think it's basically right as to result.
But if the runner at 2nd does tag but just leaves a touch before the ball is caught, that's not meant to be taken by the BU even if that appeal is the first play. Now if everybody in the park saw her leave early and the only question is whether the ball beat her to the bag, we definitely have a call that should belong to the BU. But I don't think that distinction (nor the one you propose) is actually what the mechanics say (as a result of inartful drafting). The mechanics just say that some tag up appeals belong to the PU. And many times they assign the play that would correspond to that appeal to the BU.