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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
There are three main cases of handling your situation which break into six subcases due to live/dead ball. All adhere to NFHS rules.
If you state as a fact that the try was not yet over, then unfortunately, the crew working the contest screwed the defending team according to the rules because both fouls were live ball fouls and needed to be penalized. Why an official would ever decide to not penalize a legitimate foul during a live ball can only be due to weak rules knowledge. Such an official is forced to take that path as he/she just doesn't know how to properly adjudicate a given situation.
Now to your situation:
Case 1. The foul against the shooter happens prior to the rebounding foul.
A. If the try ends before the rebounding foul occurs, then that foul is a dead ball foul and ignored, by rule, unless intentional or flagrant. Verdict: penalize only the defensive foul against the airborne shooter. Award the FTs and continue as normal from the final FT. (You have stated that this was not the case, but is what the crew chose to do.)
B. The rebounding foul occurs prior to the end of the try. This is a false double foul. Administer in the order of occurrence. Verdict: 3 FTs for the shooter with the lane cleared and then either bonus FTs to B at the other end or a throw-in on the end line (running if the final FT by A was made).
Case 2. The rebounding foul occurs prior to the foul against the airborne shooter. (Happens more frequently than case #1.)
A. The try ends prior to the first foul. The dead ball rebounding foul is ignored by rule and only the foul against the airborne shooter is charged and penalized. Verdict: shoot three FTs with players on the lane.
B. The try was not over prior to the first foul. This is a false double foul and admin is in order of occurrence. Either bonus FTs for B at other end and then continue with 3 shots for A with the lane occupied OR charge the foul by A, but the throw-in gets skipped due to the subsequent foul and proceed to awarding A 3 shots with the lane occupied.
Case 3. Both fouls happen at the same time or so close to each other that the officials can't tell which was first.
A. The try was not over when the fouls occurred. Verdict penalize both. Report both fouls and award no FTs. Resume with POI. Either a made goal by A and an endline throw-in B or use the AP arrow on a missed try.
B. The try was over when the fouls occurred. Verdict only the defensive foul against the airborne shooter is penalized as BY RULE this is a personal foul and the rebounding foul is a dead ball foul which is ignored unless intentional or flagrant. So only charge the foul to B and award 3 FTs with the lane occupied.
In my opinion, the false double foul with both being live ball fouls is preferable to the simultaneous foul situation when a missed try is involved. I just feel that justice is better served if FTs are awarded to a shooter who was fouled. So I would advocate that the crew try to determine which foul was first and proceed from there.
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This must have been how the kids felt sitting in Dr. James Naismith' P.E. class when he divulged the original 13 rules... BRILLIANT!!!!
So I'm crystal clear: In Case 2.A Why wouldn't a foul prior to the shot be a team foul and no shot? Is it because we have a double whistle?
Or should I just race you to the table :0