Thread: First Touching
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Old Mon Sep 21, 2015, 01:41am
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Originally Posted by whitehat View Post

(Does this mean we give ball to K, after penalty enforcement, for R's holding foul, from previous spot if yardage enough for 1st down. Or, after R holding enforced from previous spot does K get a 1st down, due to R touching it beyond the neutral zone...??).
In this case the penalty is enforced from the previous spot because the foul was not a PSK foul and it occurred during a loose ball play, same as if the foul was by Team B during a forward pass. This foul by R is not a PSK foul because K will be the team to next put the ball in play as a result of the play, which is R touching a scrimmage kick beyond the LOS and Team K recovering.

Enforcing R's foul from the previous spot will result in a first down for K due to the 10 yard penalty carrying the ball beyond the line to gain.

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Had R fouled after touching the ball and the kick had ended (say a hold on the return) then K could keep the ball, despite their earlier first touching, if K declines the hold on the return.
This is correct. The timing of the foul matters. Look at the last line of 6-2-5:

"The right of R to take the ball at spot of first touching by K is canceled if R touches the kick and thereafter during the down commits a foul or if the penalty is accepted for any foul committed during the down."

In your proposed scenario, R fouling after touching the kick is the key. This cancels the first touching, even if the foul is declined by K.
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