And I've worked for a few white hats over 20 years who turn me into Henry Kissinger running shuttle diplomacy.
"I wanna talk to the white hat"
"It'll cost you a time out? Sure you wanna do that?"
"Yes, I wanna talk to him right now!"
"He wants to talk to you."
"Tell him it'll cost him a time-out."
"He knows that already. I told him."
"Coach, you know this is going to cost you a time out?"
"Fine, time out."
All this being said within virtual earshot of all three of us